RE: Multiple vendors' IPv6 issues

2015-05-27 Thread Tony Hain
David, While I agree with you that there is no excuse for the general IPv6 brokenness across all vendors, they are just doing what participants on lists like this one tell them. Name&Shame may help a little, but until a large number of people get serious and stop prioritizing IPv4 in their purc

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 May 2015 09:13:47 +0530, Anil Kumar said: > that link, since I have two-step verification set up, I was presented > with a demand for a number provided by the Google Authenticator > app on my phone. I provided that number and only then was I allowed > to reset the password. And you have

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2015 03:17, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2015 09:13:47 +0530, Anil Kumar said: that link, since I have two-step verification set up, I was presented with a demand for a number provided by the Google Authenticator app on my phone. I provided that number and only then was

Re: Multiple vendors' IPv6 issues

2015-05-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/May/15 01:27, Ca By wrote: > Had ipv4 ever hurt you ? > > Me too. IPv4 still hurts me (in some ways, worse than IPv6), and it's 2015. Figures... You just need to open cases with your vendors and help them fix these issues. Sadly, no way around this. Software is not perfect. The humans tha

Re: looking glass software

2015-05-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/May/15 06:52, Bogdan wrote: > hello > > what software do you use for looking glass. for cisco ios and ios-xr? > i use the old cougar/version6.net for ios, but ios-xr is not supported. > i came across https://github.com/tmshlvck/ulg/ but did't installed yet. > are there any other interesting

Re: Multiple vendors' IPv6 issues

2015-05-27 Thread Marcin Cieslak
On Tue, 26 May 2015, David Sotnick wrote: > Arista EOS code — and it only appears to affect Virtual Machines which are > behind our RedHat Enterprise Virtualization cluster. None of the hundreds > of VMware-connected hosts are affected. The symptom is basically the same > as the Palo Alto bug. Nei

Indy Telcom Center

2015-05-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Can anyone here tell a bit of a history on the Indy Telcom Center? What operators (network and datacenter) have occupied what properties over the years? There's about a dozen buildings that were all railroad related in the past. You can see abandoned tracks running through the property at differ

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Owen DeLong
> On May 26, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: > > On (2015-05-26 17:44 +0200), Owen DeLong wrote: > > Hey, > >> I think opt-out of password recovery choices on a line-item basis is not a >> bad concept. > > This sounds reasonable. At least then you could decide which balance of > risk/conv

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27 May 2015, at 13:19, Owen DeLong wrote: If someone has the ability to hijack your BGP, then you’ve got bigger problems than having them take over your Gmail account. Could we perhaps summarise this entire thread with "if you have tighter security requirements for your e-mail than a pa

RE: SAS Drive Enclosure

2015-05-27 Thread Graham Johnston
I am primarily wanting something that will act like a DELL MD1200, SAS connected to a server, then run a clustered filesystem on the server(s) which will serve up NFS or iSCSI to client devices. Graham Johnston Network Planner Westman Communications Group 204.717.2829 johnst...@westmancom.com 

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2015-05-27 14:19 +0200), Owen DeLong wrote: Hey, > If someone has the ability to hijack your BGP, then you???ve got bigger > problems than > having them take over your Gmail account. This is second reply to this notion. I don't understand what is attempted to communicate. I'm sure no one on

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Rafael Possamai
You can also register a U2F key. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 3:17 AM, wrote: > On Wed, 27 May 2015 09:13:47 +0530, Anil Kumar said: > > that link, since I have two-step verification set up, I was presented > > with a demand for a number provided by the Google Authenticator > > app on my phone. I pro

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Joel Maslak
I also suspect not every telco validates number porting requests against social engineering properly. A telephone number isn't something you have, it is something your provider has. On Wednesday, May 27, 2015, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2015-05-27 14:19 +0200), Owen DeLong wrote: > > Hey, > > > If

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Rafael Possamai
"Security is an illusion" - Confucius probably On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Joel Maslak wrote: > I also suspect not every telco validates number porting requests against > social engineering properly. > > A telephone number isn't something you have, it is something your provider > has. > > O

Re: SAS Drive Enclosure

2015-05-27 Thread Ray Van Dolson
MD1200 is a great bet then. Other options -- SuperMicro has lots: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/2U/?chs=216 Quanta: http://www.quantaqct.com/Product/Rack-Systems/Rackgo-X/JBODs/JBR-p247c77c86c88c92 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 01:06:09PM +, Graham Johnston wrote: > I am primarily w

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Scott Howard wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn > wrote: >> If they can e-mail you your existing password (*cough*Netgear*cough*), >> it means they are storing your credentials in the database >> un-encrypted. > > No, it doesn't mean that

Re: 10Gb CPE

2015-05-27 Thread Colton Conor
Who makes the 7250? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Brant Ian Stevens < bra...@argentiumsolutions.com> wrote: > Any feedback on the new 7250’s yet? > > > > > On 5/26/15, 3:02 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Chris Lane" < > nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of clane1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >We use Bro

Re: 10Gb CPE

2015-05-27 Thread Brant Ian Stevens
Brocade. From: Colton Conor Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 12:52 PM To: branto Cc: Chris Lane, Daniel Rohan, NANOG Subject: Re: 10Gb CPE Who makes the 7250? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Brant Ian Stevens wrote: Any feedback on the new 7250’s yet? On 5/26/15, 3:02 PM, "NANOG on

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:11:19 +0300, Saku Ytti said: > This is second reply to this notion. I don't understand what is attempted to > communicate. I'm sure no one on nanog thinks BGP hijacks are rare, difficult > or yield to consequences when called out. What *is* rare is a BGP hijack done solely

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Barry Shein
On May 27, 2015 at 10:28 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Scott Howard wrote: > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn > > wrote: > >> If they can e-mail you your existing password (*cough*Netgear*cough*), > >> it means they are storin

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread John R. Levine
The OP was correct, if they can send you your cleartext password then their security practices are inadequate, period. Unless I misunderstand what you're saying (I sort of hope I do) this is Security 101. As I've said a couple of times already, but perhaps without the capital letters, from a s

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread James Downs
> On May 27, 2015, at 11:22, John R. Levine wrote: > As I've said a couple of times already, but perhaps without the capital > letters, from a security point of view, generating a NEW PASSWORD and sending > it in cleartext is no worse than sending you a one time reset link. Either > way, if

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Barry Shein
On May 27, 2015 at 14:22 jo...@iecc.com (John R. Levine) wrote: > > The OP was correct, if they can send you your cleartext password then > > their security practices are inadequate, period. > > > > Unless I misunderstand what you're saying (I sort of hope I do) this > > is Security 101. >

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Barry Shein
One weakness with sending a new cleartext password rather than a link is that a cleartext password (probably) has to be engineered to be easy to type in and maybe even remembered. Typically one uses some concatenation of CVC (consonant-vowel-consonant) with common punctuations and/or digits other

Re: 10Gb CPE

2015-05-27 Thread Cody Grosskopf
I also used brocade icx series for this. Depending on feature requirements the juniper ex3300 might be cheaper. On Tue, May 26, 2015, 12:04 PM Chris Lane wrote: > We use Brocade ICX 6450s for this. > > -Chris > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Daniel Rohan wrote: > > > With the deluge of 10Gb

Re: Multiple vendors' IPv6 issues

2015-05-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 04:19:25PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote: > Hi NANOG, > > The company I work for has no business case for being on the IPv6-Internet. > However, I am an inquisitive person and I am always looking to learn new > things, so about 3 years ago I started down the IPv6 path. This wa

Re: Multiple vendors' IPv6 issues

2015-05-27 Thread Brian Rak
On 5/27/2015 3:20 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 04:19:25PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote: Hi NANOG, The company I work for has no business case for being on the IPv6-Internet. However, I am an inquisitive person and I am always looking to learn new things, so about 3 years ago I

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > On May 27, 2015 at 10:28 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Scott Howard wrote: > > > It means they are storing it unhashed > > > which is probably what you mean. > > > > It means they're storing i

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 01:51:35PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: > Getting a copy of the database of hashes and login names is basically > useless to an attacker. Not any more, if the hash algorithm isn't sufficiently strong: 25-GPU cluster cracks every standard Windows password in <6

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Harald Koch
On 26 May 2015 at 23:43, Anil Kumar wrote: > > According to this page, the 2-factor authentication does kick in when you > finally try to reset the password. > > > http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/27258/is-there-a-way-of-disabling-googles-password-recovery-feature > > “… I was presented

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Harald Koch wrote: > > Y'all are way too trusting ;) Or we are much more comfortable with our knowledge. Six in one, > If I recall from a brief experiment yesterday, three of the four options on > that page are variations on "I'd like to bypass 2-factor auth

Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
I am looking for some rough estimates of the ratio of capacity (equipment) pricing declines versus average increase in end user capacity. For instance, say end user average capcity usage increases 50% over 3 years, would the ISP's costs also increase by 50% ? Or would increased efficency of equip

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Barry Shein
I am truly relieved that this was just a misunderstanding! -b On May 27, 2015 at 16:05 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > On May 27, 2015 at 10:28 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Sc

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Barry Shein
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Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 27/May/15 23:36, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > I am looking for some rough estimates of the ratio of capacity > (equipment) pricing declines versus average increase in end user capacity. > > For instance, say end user average capcity usage increases 50% over 3 > years, would the ISP's costs als

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Peter Beckman
LinkedIn used SHA-1, a fast algorithm. At 350-billion guesses per second on the mentioned rig for fast algorithms, yeah, you can get through a lot of passwords quickly. Hopefully LinkedIn has changed their ways. In that same article: "...functions such as Bcrypt, PBKDF2, and SHA512crypt are

RE: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread John Souvestre
> I was thinking about using the last 2 digits of the year as the > cost factor, but that might not scale with hardware linearly. How about: 2 ^ (last 2 digits of year / 2) This would track per Moore's Law. John John Souvestre - New Orleans LA

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
But if this happens over a period where there have been improvements in equipment/efficiency, then one would think the increase in costs would be less than 20%. The above hypothesis why imply that the 20% linear increase is not fair, vs directly making the case that the base rate, s

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 15-05-27 19:20, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > The above hypothesis why imply that the 20% linear increase is not fair, vs > directly making the case that the base rate, set in some point in the past is > not fair/appropriate anymore ? These rates cover aggregation between an end user's CO and a c

Atlanta Remote Hands needed for Server Move.

2015-05-27 Thread Don Gould
I have half a dozen servers in the Netstream DC that I need moved to the Cyberwurx DC in Atlanta. I'm looking for some remote hands to assist with moving these machines. Cheers Don http://www.netstreamcom.net/ 200 Sandy Springs Place Atlanta, GA 30328 Cyberwurxhttps://cyberwurx.com/datacente

Re: gmail security is a joke

2015-05-27 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Peter Beckman wrote: [snip] > I was thinking about using the last 2 digits of the year as the cost > factor, but that might not scale with hardware linearly. It is strongly recommended that when used for password storage, the work factor for BCRYPT, SCRYPT, or PB

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Rafael Possamai
If I understand your question correctly, the answer is: it depends. You can model the cost of delivering your service and keep track of three types of cost: fixed, variable and marginal. Here is a really good video that explains these: https://youtu.be/bBQVaRnHqLs You might find an industry avera

Colo Capacity quote in Renton, WA 98057, USA needed

2015-05-27 Thread Don Gould
Hi, I have half a dozen servers in a DC in Renton, WA 98057, USA. I'm looking for quotes 7 RU with 100mbit PIR. I do need A and B side power. The pricing from my current provider has got out of hand and they have burnt the relationship. As a result I am interested in hearing from others wh

Predicting TCP throughput

2015-05-27 Thread Glen Kent
Hi, I am looking at deterministic ways (perhaps employing data science) to predict TCP throughput that i can expect between two end points. I am using the latency (RTT) and the packet loss as the parameters. Is there anything else that i can use to predict the throughput? A related question to th

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Telco's cost structure model is very different from Cable Co's. Additionally the way they are regulated is also very different. Based on the additional details you have shared, you are saying that Bell charges $1016/100meg of Colo to Colo Transport ? Now you also need to add a bit more info, lik

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 03:07:45AM +, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Telco's cost structure model is very different from Cable Co's. Additionally > the way they are regulated is also very different. > > Based on the additional details you have shared, you are saying that Bell > charges $1016/100meg

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
What I am looking for is the networking equivalent to Moore's law: "on average, every year, cost of 1gbps capacity goes down by x%" The immediate goal is to show that rates that are fixed for 10 years are not "just and reasonable" (text from the canadian Telecom Act) and need a review. In the ca

Re: Predicting TCP throughput

2015-05-27 Thread Andrew Smith
You need to account for window size as well. You should also account for the details of the specific implementation of the TCP stack you are dealing with if you truly need a deterministic result. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Glen Kent wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking at deterministic ways (perh

Re: Capacity/transit costs vs growth

2015-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 May 2015 17:36:23 -0400, Jean-Francois Mezei said: > For instance, say end user average capcity usage increases 50% over 3 > years, would the ISP's costs also increase by 50% ? Depends. If the current gear had enough capacity to absorb the additional 50%, the ISP's costs didn't change