Re: Marriott wifi blocking

2014-10-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 10/06/2014 10:12 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: >> >>> On 10/06/2014 07:37 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > On 10/04/2014 11:13 PM, Ow

Re: Marriott wifi blocking

2014-10-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 6, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Clay Fiske wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> >> Actually, in multiple situations, the FCC has stated that you are responsible >> when deploying a new unlicensed transmitter to insure that it is deployed in >> such a way that it will n

Re: Netalyzr Android: call for volunteers

2014-10-07 Thread Seth Mos
Srikanth Sundaresan schreef op 6-10-2014 0:43: > Hi all, > > Netalyzr is a free network measurement and debugging app developed > by the International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley. > Hi, Maybe it's just me, but my Xperia T (LT30p) does have IPv6 on Wifi and test-ipv6.com validates it. I

Re: Netalyzr Android: call for volunteers

2014-10-07 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, Seth Mos wrote: Maybe it's just me, but my Xperia T (LT30p) does have IPv6 on Wifi and test-ipv6.com validates it. It runs Android 4.3. However, the Netalyzer apps has told me in 2 consecutive runs that it does not have IPv6 support. That does not appear intended. My Nexu

Re: Marriott wifi blocking

2014-10-07 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 6, 2014, at 11:20 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > >> On 10/6/14, 8:41 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> Actually, in multiple situations, the FCC has stated that you are responsible >> when deploying a new unlicensed transmitter to insure that it is deployed in >> such a way that it will not cau

Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Parrish, Luke
Anyone out there seeing issues with Belkin routers connecting? I have also noticed that Belkins website has 80 percent packet loss and their support number is busy. Luke Parrish | Network Operations Engineer I | Suddenlink Communications | 866.232.5455 The inf

re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Nick Olsen
Seeing reports bounce around on the WISPA lists. Looks to be widespread. Reports on their twitter as well. I've had one customer with an issue related thus far. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: "Parrish, Luke" Sent: Tu

RE: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Justin Krejci
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23belkin Sounds like a bad firmware update most likely. Presumably the Belkin routers perform caching DNS for the LAN clients for if the LAN clients use alternate DNS servers (OpenDNS, Google, your ISPs, etc) there are no longer any issues for those devices, as repo

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Steve Atkins
On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > https://twitter.com/search?q=%23belkin > > Sounds like a bad firmware update most likely. > Presumably the Belkin routers perform caching DNS for the LAN clients for if > the LAN clients use alternate DNS servers (OpenDNS, Google, your ISPs, e

RE: NANOG Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7

2014-10-07 Thread Ralph Wallace

Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Khurram Khan
Hi Group, We have a couple of circuits , internet facing with Level 3 and from our edge in San Diego, seeing some packet loss when trying a ping to 4.2.2.4, sourcing from 63.214.184.3. anyone seeing a similar issue ? Packet sent with a source address of 63.214.184.3 !.!!!.!...!!!..!!!

Re: Other things in the Baltimore area

2014-10-07 Thread Edward Lewis
On Oct 6, 2014, at 17:02, Jeff Shultz wrote: > The B&O Train Museum is a must-see stop for anyone interested in railroads - > http://www.borail.org/Collections.aspx Following the trains & NANOG theme - one can visit the site of the Howard Street Tunnel fire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howar

RE: Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Naslund, Steve
Not a weird issue. It's called packet loss. You might want to try some traces to see where that loss is happening. Basic troubleshooting. Steve Naslund Chicago IL -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Khurram Khan Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014

re: Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Nick Olsen
The 4.2.2.x machines are known to have some pretty heavy handed ICMP rate limits. I'd suggest trying to hit anything on level3 but those... Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: "Khurram Khan" Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014

Re: Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Khurram Khan
what's interesting is that out of my XO peering, I show no packet loss but out of L3, I do see packet loss. XO out of Denver: Sending 100, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 4.2.2.4, timeout is 2 seconds: Packet sent with a source address of 69.171.180.67 !

Re: Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Blair Trosper
Not to mention known bugs with how traffic is routed in large system like Google...because of any/multicast and all. (I hear it's a known bug internally.) I personally love the Level 3 public DNS servers, but they do carry some quirks with them, as all things in life do. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Livingood, Jason
Geesh. It was a tough day - lots of our customers with Belkin devices. Agree it has been fixable with customer changes but would have been better not to have to respond to this today (obviously). Regards, Jason Jason Livingood Comcast - Internet Services > On Oct 7, 2014, at 12:08, "Steve At

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread John Neiberger
Sounds like it might have been a DNS issue of some sort. The end result was that the customer routers couldn't reach their heartbeat server, which made them think they weren't on the net. The routers would then be "helpful" and redirect all customer port 80 traffic to the router's configuration pag

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Mike Lyon
And this, my friends, is why friends don't let friends buy Belkin... Apparently, you still can't fix stupid, no matter how hard you try. -Mike On Tuesday, October 7, 2014, John Neiberger wrote: > Sounds like it might have been a DNS issue of some sort. The end result was > that the customer ro

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Keenan Tims
While we weren't really impacted by this issue, my understanding is that the Belkin devices ping 'heartbeat.belkin.com' periodically. If their pings fail, they do DNS redirection to the device's configuration interface and alert the user of the error. It appears that this server went down or had s

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Steven Parsons
Looks like belkinĀ¹s fix was to add different records. DNS response this morning. heartbeat.belkin.com. 4h14m31s IN A 67.20.176.130 DNS response this evening. dig heartbeat.belkin.com +short 54.163.115.57 23.20.47.97 54.227.172.225 54.161.217.33 54.163.87.225 54.87.220.73 54.163.74.132 54.83

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:27:16 -0600, John Neiberger said: > Sounds like it might have been a DNS issue of some sort. The end result was > that the customer routers couldn't reach their heartbeat server, which made > them think they weren't on the net. Seems like a dubious idea to equate "can't reac

Re: Weird Issues within L3

2014-10-07 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 10/07/2014 11:36 AM, Khurram Khan wrote: > Hi Group, > > We have a couple of circuits , internet facing with Level 3 and from > our edge in San Diego, seeing some packet loss when trying a ping to > 4.2.2.4, sourcing from 63.214.184.3. anyone seeing a similar issue ? > > Packet sent with a sou

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
I have a question for the company assembled: Suppose that instead of [name of company] being offended by people using their own data paths instead to the pricey choice offered, [name of company] took the position that people should use the voice telephone service they offered and block cell ph

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Keenan Tims
I don't think it changes much. Passive methods (ie. Faraday cage) would likely be fine, as would layer 8 through 10 methods. Actively interfering with the RF would probably garner them an even bigger smackdown than they got here, as these are licensed bands where the mobile carrier is the primary

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/7/2014 17:32, Mike Lyon wrote: And this, my friends, is why friends don't let friends buy Belkin... Amen. Side question? What happens is somebody is unwise to use Belkin routers on an internal, not-connected-to-the-Interatubes network (Like, for example, the network I tried to get ex-

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Keenan Tims wrote: > I don't think it changes much. Passive methods (ie. Faraday cage) would > likely be fine, as would layer 8 through 10 methods. Well... actually... passive methods are probably fine, as long as they are not breaking reception to nearby properti

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:10:44 -0500, Jimmy Hess said: > The only way to legally block cell phone RF would likely be on behalf > of the licensee In other words, possibly, persuade the cell > phone companies to allow this, then create an approved "special" > local cell tower all their phone

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Roy
The SF Bay Area Rapid Transits System) turned off cellphones in 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-halting-cell-service-to-stop-protests-2335114.php and the FCC emphasis that future actions "recognizes that any interruption of cell phone service poses serious risks to public

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: > I am having trouble understanding why a router would need a heartbeat from > some foreign location. Or even what it would do with one. One, not crazy, line of thinking is that: "Instead of being cryptic and difficult to understand, help the

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/7/2014 20:59, Roy wrote: The SF Bay Area Rapid Transits System) turned off cellphones in 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-halting-cell-service-to-stop-protests-2335114.php and the FCC emphasis that future actions "recognizes that any interruption of cell phone servic

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Matt Palmer
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 09:36:26PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:10:44 -0500, Jimmy Hess said: > > > The only way to legally block cell phone RF would likely be on behalf > > of the licensee In other words, possibly, persuade the cell > > phone companies to a

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Roy
On 10/7/2014 7:34 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 10/7/2014 20:59, Roy wrote: The SF Bay Area Rapid Transits System) turned off cellphones in 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-halting-cell-service-to-stop-protests-2335114.php and the FCC emphasis that future actions "recogn

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/7/2014 22:28, Roy wrote: On 10/7/2014 7:34 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 10/7/2014 20:59, Roy wrote: The SF Bay Area Rapid Transits System) turned off cellphones in 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BART-admits-halting-cell-service-to-stop-protests-2335114.php and the FCC emphas

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:10:15 -0500, Larry Sheldon said: > The cell service is not a requirement placed upon them, I am pretty sure. However, once having chosen to provide it, and thus create an expectation that cellular E911 is available, they're obligated to carry through on that. pgpz6n3Z670ZN

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/7/2014 23:44, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:10:15 -0500, Larry Sheldon said: The cell service is not a requirement placed upon them, I am pretty sure. However, once having chosen to provide it, and thus create an expectation that cellular E911 is available, they'r

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 10/8/2014 00:35, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 10/7/2014 23:44, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:10:15 -0500, Larry Sheldon said: The cell service is not a requirement placed upon them, I am pretty sure. However, once having chosen to provide it, and thus create an expectati

Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

2014-10-07 Thread Daniel C. Eckert
Cell phone service relies on specially licensed wireless spectrum whereas WiFi relies on specifically unlicensed spectrum. The rules/laws/expectations are fundamentally different for the two cases you outlined. Dan On Oct 7, 2014 5:29 PM, "Larry Sheldon" wrote: > I have a question for the compa