Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:39:20PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > Having said that, we probably *will* see a number of incidents where the > biohazard cleanup crews have to clean up a local mess... The DIYbio community is perfectly harmless so far. The feds are already breathing down the

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread .
On 14 March 2013 18:56, Jay Ashworth wrote: > http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/security-when-the-bad-guys-have-technology-too-how-do-we-survive/ > > Three words: "desktop gene sequencing", "ebola", "script kiddies". > > I dunno how to fix it either. > > Cheers, > -- jra This is a problem for

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Patrick
On 2013-03-15 12:33, . wrote: > Similary, maybe you need exploitability to have a internet. Exploitability = usability from a different perspective. Postel said "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept", which seems like usability restated, and would QED this. Granted, we

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 3/14/13, Jay Ashworth wrote: > http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/03/security-when-the-bad-guys-have-technology-too-how-do-we-survive/ So what I gather from that: "Calling terrorism an existential threat is ridiculous in a country where more people die each month in car crashes than died in the

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:02:29 +0100, you said: > The DIYbio community is perfectly harmless so far. The feds are > already breathing down their necks, so there's no really no point > in adding gratuitious gasoline to the fire. "The Feds" have jurisdiction in Yemen, North Korea, Iran, and other pla

RE: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread George, Wes
> > > > But really: a power screwdriver, a bag of #2 bits, and a 12" extender > > are 85% of it. ;-) > > I mostly get by with just a screwdriver. Powered screwdrivers annoy the > hell out of me in almost all cases. [WEG] The rule of thumb for most places I've worked has been that power screwdrive

RE: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
> > > But really: a power screwdriver, a bag of > > > #2 bits, and a 12" extender> > are 85% of it. ;-) > > > > I mostly get by with just a screwdriver. Powered > screwdrivers annoy the> hell out of me in almost all cases. > > [WEG] The rule of thumb for most places I've worked has been that power

Re: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 3/15/2013 9:26 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: But really: a power screwdriver, a bag of #2 bits, and a 12" extender> > are 85% of it. ;-) I mostly get by with just a screwdriver. Powered screwdrivers annoy the> hell out of me in almost all cases. [WEG] The rule of thumb for most places I've work

Re: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread C. A. Fillekes
Given that you are stocking exactly one toolchest in a 3rd world country, and you only get one shot at it... Depending on your budget and how many people will have access to these tools, you might consider getting 2 or 3 of everything, and keeping the second and possibly third set under lock and k

What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Ben Bartsch
What are you RENs out there doing for CALEA compliance? Is there actually any teeth to the law? Our systems guys have tried a product called 'Open CALEA' but the router and the server simply can't keep up with mirroring from a 10Gbps connection into a 1Gbps link. I'm no legal expert eitheran

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 15, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Patrick wrote: > On 2013-03-15 12:33, . wrote: >> Similary, maybe you need exploitability to have a internet. > > Exploitability = usability from a different perspective. > > Postel said "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you > accept", which seem

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work Reply-To:

2013-03-15 Thread Patrick
On 2013-03-15 06:44, Owen DeLong wrote: > Actually, it was "be conservative in what you send, liberal in what you > accept." Maybe you're thinking of another time/place, I was referring to: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc761

Re: WW: Bruce Schneier on why security can't work

2013-03-15 Thread Owen DeLong
> And there you have it :) > > Security obviously works thus far, in the sense, that so far, > government has been preserved -- there is not total chaos, in at least > most of the world, and people do not doubt if their life or property > will still exist the next day. > I'm not sure I would

Re: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread Joe Greco
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 08:46:59AM -0400, George, Wes wrote: > > > > > > But really: a power screwdriver, a bag of #2 bits, and a 12" extender > > > are 85% of it. ;-) > > > > I mostly get by with just a screwdriver. Powered screwdrivers annoy the > > hell out of me in almost all cases. > > [WEG]

contact at tedata.net?

2013-03-15 Thread Bryan Socha
Does anyone have a networking contact at tedata.net? It's come to my attention they are blocking some of the reserved addresses that are no longer reserved. Thanks, Bryan

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ben Bartsch wrote: > What are you RENs out there doing for CALEA compliance? Is there actually being happy we solved it 6 yrs ago? > any teeth to the law? Our systems guys have tried a product called 'Open teeth as in the 100k/day fine? > CALEA' but the route

Re: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-03-15 08:46, George, Wes wrote: > [WEG] The rule of thumb for most places I've worked has been that power > screwdrivers > are only acceptable for *removing* screws, at least where the electronic > contents of a > datacenter are concerned. I can see the need for speed & efficiency when

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Joshua Goldbard
I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. If you make decisions about what you should be doing in your business based solely on emails from strangers you won't do well. Get a second opinion from a lawyer. This comes up about once every 6 months on the voice ops mailing list. If you are a CLE

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Warren Bailey
We used 7206vxr with the lawful intercept mib, and some DPI jazz from Palo Alto. Worked okay, never did have to execute a warrant or anything. >From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Joshua Goldbard Date: 03/15/2013 8:25 A

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Joshua Goldbard
God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I can't justify the expense, but as far as firewalls go they're gorgeous. From the chassis to the UI, PA is just doing it right. If anyone has a different experience, I'd love to hear it. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 8

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Joshua Goldbard wrote: > God I want one of those PA firewalls just to play with in the lab. I can't > justify the expense, but as far as firewalls go they're gorgeous. From the > chassis to the UI, PA is just doing it right. > > If anyone has a different experienc

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Warren Bailey
Seemed legit to me. I'm a satellite guy, so the Palo Alto gear was really for me to look at the traffic profiles. They did a killer job classifying traffic though, and I guess they update the rules every couple days? >From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. --

RE: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox?

2013-03-15 Thread Eric J Esslinger
> -Original Message- > From: Jean-Francois Mezei [mailto:jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 10:20 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: What do you have in your datacenters' toolbox? > > On 13-03-15 08:46, George, Wes wrote: > > > [WEG] The rule of thumb for most

Weekly Routing Table Report

2013-03-15 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.ap

Re: What are y'all doing for CALEA compliance?

2013-03-15 Thread Ben Bartsch
Thanks to everyone who replied on and off list today. I found a wide range of opinions on CALEA. I did have one person give me a very specific example of a vendor that can ensure compliance, which is really what I was after. See y'all on Bourbon Street in June! -ben On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:

The Cidr Report

2013-03-15 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Mar 15 21:13:27 2013 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2013-03-15 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 13-Mar-13 -to- 14-Mar-13 (1 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS453819915 11.7% 41.5 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center