RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread gord
I wonder if there's a filter for top-postings in list that have a bottom-posting rule? This thread is very operationally interesting to me but I've lost the plot :( http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/listfaqs/generalfaq.php?qt=convent refers. PS: I know that some devices actually prevent bottom-po

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Michael Painter
gord wrote: I wonder if there's a filter for top-postings in list that have a bottom-posting rule? This thread is very operationally interesting to me but I've lost the plot :( http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/listfaqs/generalfaq.php?qt=convent refers. PS: I know that some devices actually prev

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Gabriel Marais
On 2011/04/09 11:38 AM, Phil Regnauld wrote: Tim Chown (tjc) writes: I don't know quite how high a performance you need. If it's just email spam/viruses you are concerned with, you can run MailScanner for free, see http://www.mailscanner.info. It's been around for 10 years now and used by a lot

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Ray Corbin wrote: I had experience with Barracuda as outbound anti-spam filters for a very large hosting provider and I won't use Barracuda again. Some of their methods for blocking spam are a tad extreme. At one point they decided to block both yahoo.com and google.com in

RE: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Ray Corbin
I don't think they had blocked mail coming/going from yahoo.com/google.com which would have been more careless to their subscribers (especially when our outbound units were processing a few million emails a day from our customers). They blocked the domains so you couldn't have a link to google/y

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Luigi Iannone
On 9, Apr, 2011, at 16:00 , Owen DeLong wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Job Snijders wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> On 8 Apr 2011, at 19:34, Lori Jakab wrote: >> >>> On 04/08/2011 06:39 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> LISP can also be a good option. Comes with s

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Tom Hill
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 12:10 +0200, Gabriel Marais wrote: > I have 6 MailScanner servers in production running with Postfix, not > had any 'real' issues in the last few years. We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim over Postfix, but Mailscanner does ma

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Chris Russell
> We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. > > The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim over Postfix, but Mailscanner > does make things very pleasant to use. +1 for Exim, although development stalled for a while when Philip Hazel retired its now back on track. Also not happy with Barracud

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:12 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > On 9, Apr, 2011, at 16:00 , Owen DeLong wrote: > >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 9, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Job Snijders wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> On 8 Apr 2011, at 19:34, Lori Jakab wrote: >>> On 04/08/2011 06:39 PM, Owe

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Luigi Iannone
On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:17 , Owen DeLong wrote: [snip] >>> >>> Doing IPv4 LISP on any kind of scale requires significant additional >>> prefixes which at this time doesn't seem so practical to me. >> >> This is not accurate IMO. To inject prefixes in the BGP is needed only to >> make non-LISP

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Tom Hill wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 12:10 +0200, Gabriel Marais wrote: I have 6 MailScanner servers in production running with Postfix, not had any 'real' issues in the last few years. We have just as many -- and yes, it's great. The only thing I'd prefer would be Exim

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:17 , Owen DeLong wrote: > > [snip] Doing IPv4 LISP on any kind of scale requires significant additional prefixes which at this time doesn't seem so practical to me. >>> >>> This is not accurate IMO.

Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread William Allen Simpson
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-04-11/level-3-agrees-to-acquire-global-crossing-in-deal-valued-at-1-9-billion.html The deal will combine two unprofitable companies with total revenue of $6.26 billion as of last year, and cut annualized capital spending by about $40 million, according to

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "William Allen Simpson" > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-04-11/level-3-agrees-to-acquire-global-crossing-in-deal-valued-at-1-9-billion.html > > The deal will combine two unprofitable companies with total revenue of > $6.26 billion as of last year, a

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Dorn Hetzel
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "William Allen Simpson" > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-04-11/level-3-agrees-to-acquire-global-crossing-in-deal-valued-at-1-9-billion.html > > > > The deal will combine two unprofitabl

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Dorn Hetzel" > Well, maybe they're just admitting it will slow the rate at which > prices go down :) Cause L3 and GBLX are Too Big To Fail, right? Furrfu. Cheers, -- jra

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Mike Gatti
Not an appliance but a really amazing job at stopping spam, www.messagelabs.com (purchased by Symantec). We went from messagelabs service to barracuda appliance and the difference is astronomical, whereas before i might get one or two spams a day using MessageLabs now with the barracuda I get an

RE: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Mike Walter
I find it amusing that the article says - "The deal will combine two unprofitable companies...". So I guess the thinking is that two negatives make a positive? -Mike -Original Message- From: Dorn Hetzel [mailto:d...@hetzel.org] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:26 AM To: Jay Ashworth

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread David Coulson
On 4/11/11 10:41 AM, Mike Walter wrote: I find it amusing that the article says - "The deal will combine two unprofitable companies...". So I guess the thinking is that two negatives make a positive? -Mike Since they will be saving a whole $40mm annually, profitability is pretty much guarante

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread harbor235
combining the companies will allow them to maximize efficeinecies by the elimination of overlapping functions, hopefully paving the way to profitability. Job cuts here we come Mike On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Mike Walter wrote: > I find it amusing that the article says - "The d

LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Christina Klam
All, One of our ISP is planning to do a LISP deployment. (1) Does anyone know if Sprint uses LISP? (2) Does anyone know of any good guides/documentation of LISP? Thank you, Christina Klam

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread mikea
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 02:41:18PM +, Mike Walter wrote: > I find it amusing that the article says - "The deal will combine two > unprofitable companies...". > > So I guess the thinking is that two negatives make a positive? They may lose on every subscriber, but now they'll make it up i

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread harbor235
http://www.lisp4.net/ Mike On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Christina Klam wrote: > All, > > One of our ISP is planning to do a LISP deployment. (1) Does anyone know > if Sprint uses LISP? (2) Does anyone know of any good guides/documentation > of LISP? > > Thank you, > Christina Klam > > > >

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:49:25AM -0400, Christina Klam wrote a message of 12 lines which said: > (1) Does anyone know if Sprint uses LISP? It is too early, IMHO, to have production deployments of LISP (testing is OK). > (2) Does anyone know of any good guides/documentation of LISP? For Ci

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Lori Jakab
On 04/11/2011 05:02 PM, harbor235 wrote: > http://www.lisp4.net/ Agreed, this is the best starting point. I'm working on a draft about LISP deployment, feedback is always welcome: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jakab-lisp-deployment -Lori > Mike > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Christina

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Luigi Iannone
Hi, I think that the best repository of documentation is lisp4.net. I would also have a look to https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jakab-lisp-deployment/ Luigi On 11, Apr, 2011, at 16:49 , Christina Klam wrote: > All, > > One of our ISP is planning to do a LISP deployment. (1) Does anyo

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Christina Klam
Thank you all. On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > Hi, > > I think that the best repository of documentation is lisp4.net. > > I would also have a look to > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jakab-lisp-deployment/ > > Luigi > > On 11, Apr, 2011, at 16:49 , Christina Klam

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Luigi Iannone
On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:37 , Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > >> >> On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:17 , Owen DeLong wrote: >> >> [snip] > > Doing IPv4 LISP on any kind of scale requires significant additional > prefixes which at this time doesn

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: "Michael Painter" > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:11:44 -1000 > > gord wrote: > > I wonder if there's a filter for top-postings in list that have a > > bottom-posting rule? > > This thread is very operationally interesting to me but I've lost the > > plot :( > > > > http://www.nanog.org/maili

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: > > On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:37 , Owen DeLong wrote: > >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11, Apr, 2011, at 15:17 , Owen DeLong wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >> >> Doing IPv4 LISP on any kind of scale requi

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Christina, On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:49, Christina Klam wrote: > One of our ISP is planning to do a LISP deployment. (1) Does anyone know if > Sprint uses LISP? (2) Does anyone know of any good guides/documentation of > LISP? I cannot answer question 1. But I do work for an ISP that's roll

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Mark Kent
Well, this will be the third time that Level3 has purchased my primary upstream provider. Maybe this will be different than with Genuity and Wiltel, but Level3 needs to either stop using the word "legacy" or educate their employees so they know that "legacy" is good and not bad. -mark

RE: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread George Bonser
> Let me see if I have that straight. > > We're *admitting* in public that the result will be to make prices go > up for > customers? Wow... Justice is going to have a field day with that. > > Cheers, > -- jra I don't think it means so much that prices will go up, just that it will slow the de

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact I keep thinking I just about > understand LISP and then get told > that my understanding is incorrect (repeatedly). I agree it is not simple. At a conceptual level, we can think of existing mult

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, David Coulson wrote: Wasn't there a telco CEO who would blow that much in strip clubs? Savvis springs to mind, but I don't remember. I seem to recall several dot-com-era CxOs spending very lavishly on themselves, or getting their employers to give them large 'loans' that

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:55:05AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: > > Let me see if I have that straight. > > > > We're *admitting* in public that the result will be to make prices go > > up for > > customers? Wow... Justice is going to have a field day with that. > > > > Cheers, > > -- jra > > I

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread David Coulson
On 4/11/11 12:24 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I seem to recall several dot-com-era CxOs spending very lavishly on themselves, or getting their employers to give them large 'loans' that were never paid back. Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, Bernie Ebbers, Gary Winnick, Joe Nacchio, etc... This is wh

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact I keep thinking I just about >> understand LISP and then get told >> that my understanding is incorrect (repeatedly). > > I agree it is not

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 11, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact I keep thinking I just about >> understand LISP and then get told >> that my understanding is incorrect (repeatedly). > > I agree it is not s

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Todd Lyons
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Of late I have started to get responses from people (not even the person > who top-posted) saying that I should f*** off and that they would post > however they wanted. Very hostile and even threatening. My wife complained once that my respo

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread John Levine
It's really impressive how insular a bunch of old timers can be. Coming up next: rants about HTML mail! R's, John In article you write: >On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Of late I have started to get responses from people (not even the person >> who top-posted) saying t

altdb

2011-04-11 Thread Bret Palsson
pd-to: rout...@getjive.com mnt-nfy:rout...@getjive.com auth: MD5-PW 2a930d2ac634aa45e4224e575d2a1bdb mnt-by: MAINT-JIVE changed:rout...@getjive.com 20110411 source: ALTDB Thanks, Bret

Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "harbor235" > http://www.lisp4.net/ So, for The Rest Of Us, LISP is an attempt to reduce the impact of PI space on router tables in the DFZ? WADR, to hell with them; they have a *lot* more money than I do. :-) Cheers, -- jra

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Kevin Oberman" > Subject: Re: Top-posting > Of late I have started to get responses from people (not even the person > who top-posted) saying that I should f*** off and that they would post > however they wanted. Very hostile and even threatening. > > I ev

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "John Levine" > It's really impressive how insular a bunch of old timers can be. > > Coming up next: rants about HTML mail! I never thought I'd say this about John, but PDFTT, folks. :-) Cheers, -- jra

internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Jeroen van Aart
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20336-internet-probe-can-track-you-down-to-within-690-metres.html "The new method zooms in through three stages to locate a target computer. The first stage measures the time it takes to send a data packet to the target and converts it into a distance – a co

Re: internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Scott Morris
Aren't they already confused enough when any time I use my EVDO or 3G Tether that someone believes I've been magically transported to New Jersey or wherever the handoff is? ;) Understand the logic behind it, but you probably statistically have just as much chance of being correct a

Bharti Airtel Contact

2011-04-11 Thread jacob miller
Anyone with a Technical Contact for Bharti Airtel kindly contact me off list. I have been having BGP flaps for much of the day on a link to London. Regards, Jacob

Re: internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Scott Morris wrote: > Aren't they already confused enough when any time I use my EVDO or 3G > Tether that someone believes I've been magically transported to New > Jersey or wherever the handoff is? ;) > Understand the logic behind it, but you probably statis

Re: internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20336-internet-probe-can-track-you-down-to-within-690-metres.html > "The new method zooms in through three stages to locate a target computer. > The first stage measures the time it takes to send a data p

Re: internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Franck Martin
Don't forget the use for 911 type services. On 4/12/11 8:10 , "Jeroen van Aart" wrote: >http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20336-internet-probe-can-track-you-d >own-to-within-690-metres.html >"The new method zooms in through three stages to locate a target >computer. The first stage measures

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-11 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I do tend to think that any technology sufficiently confusing that I cannot > understand it well after reasonable effort is of questionable value > for wide deployment. The secret is to ignore all the crazy acronyms and boil it down to this --

altdb.net: password length

2011-04-11 Thread Bret Palsson
Is there a limit of 8 characters for the CRYPT-PW? -Bret

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-11 Thread Jeroen van Aart
TR Shaw wrote: Get a linux box or whatever and roll your own. ASSP, DSPAM, Spamassin, or other open source ASSP + exim, on Debian, for sure. BUT, ASSP as of now does not support IPv6 so I am not able to hang my spamfilter on an IPv6 address. :-( Contacting the maintainers is met with utter

RE: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Holmes,David A
"Way too many players ..." means that the telecom marketplace is good for the consumer, with competition keeping prices low. Many network users feel that prices are still way too high, particularly for high speed circuits and dark fiber, areas in which Level 3 and Global Crossing have specialize

Re: internet probe can track you within 690 m

2011-04-11 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > ... > It would also be easy to institute something like the old GPS selective > availability, with a software tunnel randomly adding a variable > delay (say, varying by up to 50 msec every 100 seconds). > > Regards > Marshall > Heck...wi

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 03:49:43PM -0700, Holmes,David A wrote: > "Way too many players ..." means that the telecom marketplace is good > for the consumer, with competition keeping prices low. Many network > users feel that prices are still way too high, particularly for high > speed circuits an

Re: Alternatives to GSLB ?

2011-04-11 Thread Jeff Blaum
Just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question on the list and off-list. Cheers, Jeff On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Paul W. Roach III wrote: > The downside of anycast for TCP services require state to be replicated in > realtime across all app servers to prevent crappy user experien

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of April 11, 2011 3:11:15 PM -0400, Jay Ashworth is alleged to have said: Of late I have started to get responses from people (not even the person who top-posted) saying that I should f*** off and that they would post however they wanted. Very hostile and even threatening. I even manage t

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Jeff Wheeler
If I were a large tier-2 with SFI to one, but not both, of Level3 and GBLX, I would see this acquisition as an opportunity to squeeze peering out of the other network, or eventual combination of both, in trade for not stirring the pot with regulators. Perhaps AS3356 will carry AS6939 IPv6 routes s

Facebook Opens Up Its Hardware Secrets

2011-04-11 Thread Bruce Williams
FYI Just weeks before switching on a massive, super-efficient data center in rural Oregon, Facebook is giving away the designs and specifications to the whole thing online. In doing so, the company is breaking a long-established unwritten rule for Web companies: don't share the secrets of your ser

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Daniel Staal" > --As of April 11, 2011 3:11:15 PM -0400, Jay Ashworth is alleged to > have said: Nope; I really said it. :-) > > Standard threaded (IE: not top-posted) replies have been the standard for > > technical mailing lists on the net since I first

Re: [Nanog] Re: LISP

2011-04-11 Thread Jason Frisvold
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:02 AM, harbor235 wrote: > http://www.lisp4.net/ This sounds a lot like LNP in the telco world. Is the goal here to make IP's "portable" ? Or is this a viable way to access IPv6

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread bmanning
interleaved posting is considered harmful. /bill On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:05:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Daniel Staal" > > > --As of April 11, 2011 3:11:15 PM -0400, Jay Ashworth is alleged to > > have said: > > Nope; I really said it. :-) >

Re: altdb.net: password length

2011-04-11 Thread Bret Palsson
Yep! It sure did. Phew I don't need to re-submit. Thanks guys! I received many responses. -Bret On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: > My understanding is that the implementation of the DES algorithm used > ignores any characters after the first 8, so basically yes. > -Jonesy > >

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:27:44 EDT, Jay Ashworth said: > - Original Message - > > From: "Dorn Hetzel" > > > Well, maybe they're just admitting it will slow the rate at which > > prices go down :) > > Cause L3 and GBLX are Too Big To Fail, right? Yes, but the *real* question is - will they

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Richard Golodner
On Mon, 2011-04-11 at 19:39 -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > Of late I have started to get responses from people (not even the > person > >> who top-posted) saying that I should f*** off and that they would > post > >> however they wanted. Very hostile and even threatening. Too many Outlook use

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:15:33 -, John Levine said: > It's really impressive how insular a bunch of old timers can be. > > Coming up next: rants about HTML mail! Vern Schryver once pointed out that a multipart/alternative with a text/plain and text/html was *always* incorrect - if the semantic

Yahoo! Mail Technical Contact

2011-04-11 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Hi All, Is there by any chance a Yahoo! Mail Technical Contact is subscribed in this mailing list? Please reply directly to my email. Thank you very much. -nathan

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Bryan Fields
On 4/11/2011 21:22, Richard Golodner wrote: > Too many Outlook users. With just about any other email client it is > very easy to bottom post. > To those who wish to post as they want demonstrates a certain something > about being a professional and an additional personality component

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Bret Palsson
On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 4/11/2011 21:22, Richard Golodner wrote: >>Too many Outlook users. With just about any other email client it is >> very easy to bottom post. >>To those who wish to post as they want demonstrates a certain something >> about being a pro

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:58:11 EDT, Bryan Fields said: > The issue with outlook/exchange is there is no way to use another client with > it. I cannot even force plain text to the internet, the server send it as > quoted printable even if I strip all formatting. If the entire body part is expressible

Re: Yahoo! Mail Technical Contact

2011-04-11 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Nathanael C. Cariaga wrote: > Hi All, > > Is there by any chance a Yahoo! Mail Technical Contact is subscribed in this > mailing list?  Please reply directly to my email. > > Thank you very much. > > -nathan Aww...now see, this is the North American *NETWORK* ope

Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Hi All, It seems that we're having some problems receiving emails from selected Yahoo! Mail Accounts. I noticed that there is a commonality between the accounts that fails when sending an email to our domain (see email header below) From: "mailer-dae...@nm1.bullet.mail.sg1.yahoo.com" To:

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Nathanael C. Cariaga wrote: > Hi All, > > It seems that we're having some problems receiving emails from selected > Yahoo! Mail Accounts.  I noticed that there is a commonality between the > accounts that fails when sending an email to our domain (see email header

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 4/11/11 10:47 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: mpetach@opstools1:~> telnet 219.90.94.56 25 Trying 219.90.94.56... Connected to static-host-219-90-94-56.tri.ph. Escape character is '^]'. ehlo yahoo.com 554 SMTP synchronization error Connection closed by foreign host. mpetach@opstools1:~> I imagin

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Matthew Petach
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > On 4/11/11 10:47 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: >> mpetach@opstools1:~>  telnet 219.90.94.56 25 >> Trying 219.90.94.56... >> Connected to static-host-219-90-94-56.tri.ph. >> Escape character is '^]'. >> ehlo yahoo.com >> 554 SMTP synchronization e

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Thanks anyway. I just find this issue intriguing since not all Yahoo mail accounts are affected. In addition, incoming mails from other domain doesn't seem to be affected. That is why I want to check if it is a network issue :) -nathan On 4/12/2011 1:17 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Mon, A

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
I sincerely On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:12 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > interleaved posting is considered harmful. > Disagree. Owen > /bill > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:05:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Daniel Staal" >> >>> --As of A

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > On 4/11/2011 21:22, Richard Golodner wrote: >> Too many Outlook users. With just about any other email client it is >> very easy to bottom post. >> To those who wish to post as they want demonstrates a certain something >> about being

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I have used Evolution and IMAP with exchange servers in the past, so, I'm not > convinced this is an entirely accurate statement. And in fact, I'm posting this message in plain-text via the OSX Mail.app connected via native Exchange protocols

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Paul Ferguson
I am top-posting to show that this entire thread is retarded. I certainly could have bottom-posted, because I don't use Outlook for this list, but the point here is -- is this what the NANOG list has really become? Really? So sad. - ferg On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Michael DeMan
Call me and old 'hard case' - but I prefer that when I get information via email, that if possible, the relevant information show up immediately. Call me lazy I guess - but I would expect that most folks on this list have also understood good user interface design, and that the least amount of w

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Joshua William Klubi
Well yahoo's mx tend to do that a lot. i used to have a lot of bounced emails to yahoo until i implemented dkim, domainkeys and spf then all my yahoo problems disappeared , I just want to know if you have implemented any of these technologies dkim,domainkeys and spf, other wise you would have all

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-11 Thread Michael DeMan
Hi Paul, Your point is taken - but actually this is a bit of a conundrum, at least for me. Generally what I see is that younger people who grew up using email when they were children desire to bottom post or post inline whereas folks that originally utilized email primarily to communicate tech

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-11 Thread Tim Chown
On 12 Apr 2011, at 07:33, Michael DeMan wrote: > Call me and old 'hard case' - but I prefer that when I get information via > email, that if possible, the relevant information show up immediately. > > Call me lazy I guess - but I would expect that most folks on this list have > also understood

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-11 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Just to clarify, the problem we are encountering is that emails sent from yahoo does not seem to reach our mail server (even any of our MX records / anti-spam servers). We have neither implemented any of the items you have said (still in the process of doing so). I tried to interview our emai