Hello Pedram,
Until everyone fully understands the truth in ENGLISH, this topic will
continue. This is what they demand.
As long as there are questions which relate to us, I will continue to respond.
When it's set in stone, and the false claims and false statements are
corrected, this topic wil
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Russell Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I hope soon, people will realise and accept the truth that we are a
> LEGITIMATE Company that DOES Operate in the USA. We are NOT directly or
> in-directly related to an
Hello Paul,
GREAT! I am very pleased with that.
This is what we need, and I'm sure you can agree, this is what the Internet
needs.
Thank you very much for your time. Have a great day.
---
Russell Mitchell
InterCage, Inc.
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From: Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To
Russell:
Ferg was just being coy -- what you don't understand is there are about 3 other
security mailing lists plotting to TAKE YOUR SERVICE DOWN. You FAIL. Law
Enforcement might not take action against you (but appear to be interested now),
but the community can. GET OFF THE NET WITH YOUR MALWAR
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Mark Foo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Answer Ferg's question -- Why are you moving to CERNAL? Do you think this
> is going to work? That's just another of Emil's networks.
>
Actually, I was not being coy.
Okay, mayb
Hello Mark,
It really seems YOU _DID_ miss the memo.
I think that since no one else is responding to your non-sense, there is no
reason for me to either.
If you have something accurate to say, I'll be happy to listen.
Until then, there's not much I can say. There's no sense in repeating myself.
Russell:
Oh I got the memo, you'll be getting served one soon too.
I just wonder why you don't consider playing both sides of the fence
-- with your
knowledge of who's who in the cyber crime field, you could probably get paid
more as an informant (either to LEO or one of the "Intel" companies tha
Russell,
Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known
Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more.
Why are you only now shutting them down?
Thank you for proving that our research was not for naught, and that
Atrivo/Intercage is a black hat operation which needs t
Hello Mark,
What's YOUR motivation to consistantly attack my company?
What's my motivation to continue working @ InterCage?
To keep a roof over my family's heads, and to keep them well-fed:
1.) Myself
2.) My Wife
3.) My near 2 year old Son (November)
4.) My near 3 week old Daughter (Born Sept. 4t
Hi!
Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known
Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# dig estdomains.com
; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> estdomains.com
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOE
define:nanog
North American Network Operators Group A membership organization that
provides for the exchange of tecnical information among public, commercial
...
I think this conversation should have ended way long time ago.
My $0.50 cents + $1.00 or $2
Regards,
Pedram
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at
It's actually starting to look like WHT.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Pedram M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> define:nanog
>
> North American Network Operators Group A membership organization that
> provides for the exchange of tecnical information among public, commercial
> ...
>
> I think t
> It is clear to me -- at least -- that this entire criminal
> operation is being operated out of Eastern Europe, and their
> foothold in the U.S. is the major issue here.
If you believe that this is a criminal operation then you
should keep this discussion OFF THE LIST and discourage
anyone fro
Hello Michael,
THANK YOU for the Intervention.
If anyone would like to continue the chats, drop me an email, and we can
continue talks OFF NANOG.
Thank you all very much for your time and careful consideration into the issues
we're having. Have a great day.
---
Russell Mitchell
InterCage, In
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Russell Mitchell wrote:
Hello Mark,
What's YOUR motivation to consistantly attack my company?
I don't know this Mark, but it seems like he is copying your strategy of
"stay up last and you win" as you both make little sense.
Gadi.
What's my motivation to con
> Hello Joe,
>
> If we can't power down the machine, due to evidence loss. We
> can't nullroute the IP, as stated, some malware will delete
> itself or alter itself when Net Access is lost.
> Now we can filter a single port, in the case of spam, phishing, etc?
You can do whatever you need to, o
Very well said.
James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:23 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
> It is clear to me -- at least -- that this entire criminal
> operatio
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:19:16AM -0400, Paul Wall wrote:
> Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known
> Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more.
>
> Why are you only now shutting them down?
"several weeks"? Try "several years". And do note the rationale
(
Tom Sparks (Applied Operations) wrote:
Basically is what it boils down to for me - its easy to blame
an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their clients do, it takes real dedication to
find out whats *actually* going on.
We did, and now we're solving the problem.
Andrew
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Andrew D Kirch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Basically is what it boils down to for me - its
> easy to blame an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their
> clients do, it takes real dedication to find out
> whats *actually* going on.
: We did, and now we're solving the problem.
While it's good to see some community effort going toward slapping
a lid on misbehaving sources, how about a little consistency in
the bigger picture?
Consider this sort of scenario: An ISP allows its infrastructure
to emit spam and host compromised machines to harbor malware and
facilitate crime
*Hobbit* wrote:
Where's
the BACKBONE to go after the real high-volume sources, rather than
continuing to kick sand in the face of some podunk little guy who
can no longer defend himself?
_H*
He never could defend himself, but he still hosts these companies
(though months and years later he'
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, *Hobbit* wrote:
While it's good to see some community effort going toward slapping
a lid on misbehaving sources, how about a little consistency in
the bigger picture?
Consider this sort of scenario: An ISP allows its infrastructure
to emit spam and host compromised machines
I'm pretty much ready to take my life over having to deal with AOL's
Postmaster.
If anyone has a contact or lead at AOL with a clue, could you please respond
off-list? I am at wits end.
A thousand apologies for the noise,
Taylor Neill
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Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-iosfw
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Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-l2tp
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Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-mfi
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080924-mfi.shtml
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Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-sccp
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080924-sccp.shtml
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Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-ssl
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080924-ssl.shtml
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Vulnerability
Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-ubr
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Initiation Protocol Denial of Service Vulnerabilities
Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080924-cucm
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080924-cucm.shtml
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http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080924-vpn.shtml
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Russell Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> Those are their IP Blocks. We were simply routing them, as they were our
> client.
> They've owned these blocks for quite a while. They seem to have moved that
> after a day of being down.
You're not
Paul Wall wrote:
You're not very good at this are you? For future reference, when
you're trying to pretend like you've cleaned up your act and someone
asks you why your second largest cyber criminal customer is no longer
on your network, you say "we kicked them off for abuse too", not "they
left
Hi,
I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
puck.nether.net or the outages.org list? A traceroute gets me into
Chicago with NTT and then dies...(Along with high ping times between
NY and IL for NTT)
I'm looking to see if anyone has more info about an S&D pow
Tuc, stuck on puck wrote:
I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
puck.nether.net or the outages.org list?
outages.org doesn't even resolve here (cox in Omaha).
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote:
> I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
> puck.nether.net or the outages.org list?
As regards Puck, so says Jared:
> INCORRECT BLOCK COUNT I=121740614 (24704 should be 24736)
> CORRECT? yes
> ** Ph
Not resolving on Comcast in Chicago either.
-brandon
On 9/24/08, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tuc, stuck on puck wrote:
>
>
> I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
>> puck.nether.net or the outages.org list?
>>
>
> outages.org doesn't ev
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tuc, stuck on puck wrote:
>
>
>>I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
>> puck.nether.net or the outages.org list?
>
> outages.org doesn't even resolve here (cox in Omaha).
$ dig N
Apologies for the operational content. =)
I've been working with a client who has been the victim of several SQL
injection attacks. These attacks are being used to insert links to malicious
javascript hosted elsewhere using the following domains:
seekcc.com
google9.info
any-park.cn
I've reported
As I'm unable to resolve the DNS name, I can't reach them either. Their
secondary server in the whois is not giving correct info either
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig @204.42.254.5 PUCK.NETHER.NET
; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @204.42.254.5 PUCK.NETHER.NET
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
Perhaps you should report it to outages? ;-)
On Sep 24, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tuc, stuck on puck wrote:
I hate to use NANOG for outages... But can anyone else get to
puck.nethe
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> outages.org. 86400 IN NS puck.nether.net.
> outages.org. 86400 IN NS anyns.pch.net.
>
> incorrect NS record setup maybe??
That too. We're moving th
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com can't resolve it, either.
>
> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com can't resolve it, either.
>
Sorry, I should have mentioned that.
Tuc/TBOH
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com can't resolve it, either.
That one appears to have one DNS server that is up and down, but the
other two are up and I'm able to resolve and access it from here
(Comcast Business connection in Florida).
For outages.org, it appears
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 03:15:18PM -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote:
> >
> > http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com can't resolve it, either.
> >
> Sorry, I should have mentioned that.
Seems to work for me now.
Those that care:
1) the outages.org ns issue should hopefu
If you forward me your ticket numbers privately, I'll take a look.
Despite popular belief, we actually have an active abuse team of good
folks who care about abuse issues!
--Heather
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Heather Schiller
Customer Security
IP Address Management
1.800.900.0241
~*~*~*~*
Could someone please send me AOL's NOC contact information off list?
Hi,
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 07:06 -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: Andrew D Kirch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Basically is what it boils down to for me - its
> > easy to blame an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their
> > clients do, it takes real dedication to find out
> >
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:37:43PM +, *Hobbit* wrote:
[snip]
> If this happened to some of the other major sources of crap that
> I'm thinking of, it would make the freaking NATIONAL NEWS. Where's
> the BACKBONE to go after the real high-volume sources, rather than
> continuing to kick sand in
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Joe Provo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The spine to do it left with suits minding the store & managing to
> the tune of fickle investors. For the same reason just refusing
> deaggregates has become difficult: the ba
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, Paul Ferguson wrote:
Just a side-note: Rensys has an interesting blog article up today on this
Atrivo/Intercage "mess":
http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/09/internet_vigilantism_1.shtml
FYI,
I have but one comment.
There is a difference between Vigilantism as it is percei
Hi,
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 17:54 -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have also noticed that most of the people doing the whining aren't
> even the people who are tracking the problem. Again, a case of the NANOG
> story verses the real story...
> -
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The solution here is to go after the *people* who make this crap. They
> *are* breaking the law and we have the proof.
agreed... but keep in mind 'breaking the law' is relative... So, CP is
illegal in the US, but maybe
Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The solution here is to go after the *people* who make this crap. They
*are* breaking the law and we have the proof.
agreed... but keep in mind 'breaking the law' is relative... So, CP is
ill
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008, William Pitcock wrote:
No, but others have, and it isn't helpful towards resolving this
problem.
Ultimately, neither is forcing them off the internet. Well, in
actuality, that resolves part of the problem, but I suspect that a lot
of the affected cybercrime has moved to othe
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 07:12:31PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> That said, they should have dropped Esthost before it got that big, but
> they didn't.
Didn't you notice that the quoted material was from *three years ago*?
And this problem didn't begin three years ago, either. For example:
>
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Apprehending criminals is the Law's job.
>
> My job is making sure they don't deal that sh*t in MY parkinglot.
>
Exactly.
It could be argued (since _is_ the Nor
When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
That doesn't make the problem the tribe, the real problem is the
lawlessness.
It would much rather prefer that we find a way to not let ISPs
externalize their "costs" in taking money from bad people who do nothing
but cause
John Bambenek wrote:
> When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
this way lies lynch mobs
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
randy
Randy Bush wrote:
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
A veneer would be ever better, unless you are into fine tuning.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Bambenek wrote:
>> When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
>
> this way lies lynch mobs
>
> shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
>
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I didn't whine.
No, but others have, and it isn't helpful towards resolving this
problem.
I also wrote you that in private, but you decided to make it public without
asking me.
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:28 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > John Bambenek wrote:
> >> When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
> >
> > this wa
Hi,
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:39 -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> From: William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I didn't whine.
>
> No, but others have, and it isn't helpful towards resolving this
> problem.
>
>
>
> I also
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:52 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:28 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>> I think that _more_than_reasonable_ background research, historical
>> record, etc. have met the qualifications o
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:58 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:52 PM, William Pitcock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:28 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
>
> >> I think that _more_than_reasonable_ background research, historical
> >> record, etc. have m
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I said _new_ approach. I agree that it was overdue, but they are being
> cooperative with the anti-abuse community, so I think it is appropriate
> to give them an opportun
Ok, as this seems to have turned into a pissing match, can we slow this down a
bit? 50+ emails a day for a week and nothing good of it? Yes yes we have
purged the internet of evil. Instead of all the bickering and finger pointing,
let's do something worthwhile like helping identify the root o
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Blake Pfankuch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ok, as this seems to have turned into a pissing match, can we slow this
> down a bit? 50+ emails a day for a week and nothing good of it? Yes yes
> we have purged the inter
William Pitcock wrote:
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 19:28 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John Bambenek wrote:
When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
this way lies lynch mobs
sha
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enough already
randy
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Hi,
You may or may not have noticed puck.nether.net (hosting outages.org
mailing list) suffered an outage this am. This was caused due to a file
system issue (possible inconsistence state) on a fairly large (1tb)
filesystem
which caused services on p
Randy Bush wrote:
John Bambenek wrote:
When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
this way lies lynch mobs
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
randy
While I appreciate the points both you and John are attempting to make,
as someone who
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Esthost are nullrouted as of this morning. Even their administrative
> network is nullrouted.
>
> I think that is a good indication. As I said, if you have any still open
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Why is Intercage hosting Cernel.net?
>
> cernel.net -A-> 69.50.176.227
>
> AS | IP | AS Name
> 27595 | 69.50.176.227| INTERCAGE - InterCage, Inc.
>
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Why is Intercage hosting Cernel.net?
>>
>> cernel.net -A-> 69.50.176.227
>>
>> AS | IP | AS Name
>> 27595 | 69.50.176.227| INTERCAGE - InterCage, In
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Pitcock) writes:
> ... forcing them offline now that they are taking a new approach to
> handling abuse is ridiculous. ...
renaming, renumbering, and rehoming the darkest parts of their empire is
not a new approach to handling abuse, it's the most common thing that gray
On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
this way lies lynch mobs
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
Randy, I would agree if anything less had ever been effective.
If you have a better idea, please explain to the rest of us.
--
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endi
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 21:50 -0700, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:10 PM, William Pitcock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Esthost are nullrouted as of this morning. Even their administrative
> > network is nullrouted.
> >
> > I think that is a good indication. As I said, if
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:04 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for playing, but next time you might want to point out something
> that is actually online. It will certaintly make your argument be more
> fact-based.
>
> Or mayb
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Paul Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>> Why is Intercage hosting Cernel.net?
>>>
>>> cernel.net -A-> 69.50.176.227
>>>
>>> AS | IP | AS Name
>>> 27595 | 69.50.176.227| INTERCAGE - InterC
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