On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:19:16AM -0400, Paul Wall wrote: > Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known > Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more. > > Why are you only now shutting them down?
"several weeks"? Try "several years". And do note the rationale (below) for the refusal to shut them down. > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Sep 4 13:58:23 EDT 2005 > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Atrivo/InterCage Abuse > Approved: NANAB Moderators <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.107.73.156; > posting-account=2w8xwQ0AAADzda9cIvAir5JUpndTEjLg > Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:48:03 +0000 (UTC) > Nntp-Posting-Host: 69.107.73.156 > X-Http-Useragent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR > 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) > Organization: http://groups.google.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Trace: posting.google.com 1125683283 16154 127.0.0.1 (2 Sep 2005 17:48:03 > GMT) > Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:51:13 GMT > X-Robomod: STUMP, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor Chudov), C++/Perl/Unix Consulting > > Hello fhh, > > There is no "network of esthost". The network in which Esthost resides > is our network. Esthost is one of our larger clients, They are very > successful in the industry of web hosting and domain registration. They > just recently became an ICANN Accredited Registrar. I won't comment on > "why" they're so successful... But for some, that may be obvious. > > I believe an investigation by law enforcement is a very corrective > step... That would definately clean Esthost up. > > I can honestly say, there are 2 of our major clients who are very > successful... and with both of those comes occasional abuse. On one, > it's the occasional spam via exploit. The other... Esthost... Well... A > lot worse abuse then just spam. > > One of the things I find quite rediculous is people have taken all of > our business emails from whois etc, and placed them in spam runs. How > stupid can you get?... Honestly! You have never received a spam email > that came from our business servers... Our clients (like EVERY other > companies clients) do get the abuse of spam from their servers. For all > of our clients (esthost aside)... This is not very often. We can't > please everyone. We try... But when you have to go through and work > with a client like esthost who doesn't quite take abuse too > seriously... and the only other thing you can do is null their client's > server.... it's hard to get a "correct" action taken. The correct > action on any intentional spammer is to be immediately removed. As well > as intentional virii distributors. This is seen with iframecash.biz... > We took reports from P Thompson and demanded their removal... That > appeared to be resolved... and then they pop up again. > > If I had the ability... I would cut Esthost as a client... But, in > doing so, it causes nearly a quarter if not half of the company's > monthly revenue to be cut. That is not too good of a move nor > reasonably possible ;) > > People consider Atrivo/InterCage to be some abuse supporting company... > If only any of you knew what the position would be in a company our > size. > > It's not as easy as you believe it to be ;) > > Thank you for your time. Have a great day. > > -- > Russell Mitchell - Russ[at]Atrivo.com > Atrivo Technologies >
