Re: [NANOG] Did Youtube not pay their domain bill?

2008-05-04 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) writes: > On Sat, 3 May 2008, Mike Lewinski wrote: > > > David Coulson wrote: > >> Depends - It doesn't help if the DNS server is dead, but the front-end > >> is still advertising the routes. > > > > Possibly a good argument for allowing the DNS servers to origin

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Ward) writes: > > That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded by > > organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. > > Unless you're expecting those organisations to be really nice and make > that address space available to other organis

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
I'm not sure that I would tar everyone who does NXDOMAIN remapping with the same brush as SPAM and DDOS. Handled the way OpenDNS does, on an opt-in basis, it's a "good thing" IMO. I would also say that disaggregating and remarketing dark address space, assuming it's handled above board and in a wa

[NANOG] [Fwd: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-05-04 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, We are on the final stages of getting the host operational that has taken longer than we expected. This was a combination of application / hardware related issue that caused a prolonged outage. We deeply regret the delay and we should have outage

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread Paul Vixie
> I'm not sure that I would tar everyone who does NXDOMAIN remapping with > the same brush as SPAM and DDOS. Handled the way OpenDNS does, on an > opt-in basis, it's a "good thing" IMO. i agree, and i'm on record as saying that since opendns doesn't affect the people who do not knowingly sign up f

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > IPv4 has enough addresses for every computer on Earth, and then some. There are approximately 3.4 billion or a little less usable ip addresses. there are 3.3 billion mobile phone users buying approximately 400,000 ip capable devices a day. That's a single industy, notw

[NANOG] Deadline Extension UBICOMM 2008, September 29 - October 4, Valencia, Spain

2008-05-04 Thread Jaime Lloret Mauri
Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. Apologies for cross-postings. == UBICOMM 2008 Call for Papers === CALL FOR PAPERS, TUTORIALS, PANELS UBICOMM 2008, The

[NANOG] Deadline Extension UBICOMM 2008, September 29 - October 4, Valencia, Spain

2008-05-04 Thread Jaime Lloret Mauri
Please consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results. Apologies for cross-postings. == UBICOMM 2008 Call for Papers === CALL FOR PAPERS, TUTORIALS, PANELS UBICOMM 2008, The

Re: [NANOG] would ip6 help us safeing energy ?

2008-05-04 Thread Marc Manthey
evening all , found an related article about the power consumtion saving in ip6. - Up to 300 Megawatt Worth of Keepalive Messages to be Saved by IPv6? http://www.circleid.com/posts/81072_megawatts_keepalive_ipv6/ http://www.niksula.hut.fi/~peronen/publications/haverinen_siren_eronen_vtc2007.

Re: [NANOG] would ip6 help us safeing energy ?

2008-05-04 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Mon, May 05, 2008, Marc Manthey wrote: > evening all , > > found an related article about the power consumtion saving in ip6. > > - > > Up to 300 Megawatt Worth of Keepalive Messages to be Saved by IPv6? > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/81072_megawatts_keepalive_ipv6/ > > http://www.niks

Re: [NANOG] would ip6 help us safeing energy ?

2008-05-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Notwithstanding that fact that keepalives are a huge issue for tiny battery powered devices. There's a false economy in assuming those packets wouldn't have to be sent with IPV6... Marc Manthey wrote: > evening all , > > found an related article about the power consumtion saving in ip6. >

Re: [NANOG] would ip6 help us safeing energy ?

2008-05-04 Thread Randy Bush
> found an related article about the power consumtion saving in ip6. no, you found an article about bad nat design in a market lacking the ability to stanardize on a clean one. if you look, you can also find statements by the same folk explaining how ipv6 will help prevent car accidents involvi

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread Randy Bush
> but if the bottom feeding scumsuckers who saw the opportunity now known as > spam, or the ones who saw the opportunity now known as NXDOMAIN remapping, > or the ones who saw the opportunity now known as DDoS for hire, realize that > the next great weakness in the internet's design and protocols i

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-04 Thread David Conrad
On May 3, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > William Warren wrote: >> That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded >> by >> organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. > which one's would those be? While I wouldn't call it hoarding, can any single (non-ISP)

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4

2008-05-04 Thread David Conrad
On May 4, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > The artifact of MIT and others > having /8s while the entire Indian subcontinent scrapes for /29s, can > hardly be considered optimal or right. While perhaps intended as hyperbole, this sort of statement annoys me as it demonstrates an ignora

Re: [NANOG] fair warning: less than 1000 days left to IPv4 exhaustion

2008-05-04 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 4, 2008, at 11:01 PM, David Conrad wrote: > On May 3, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> William Warren wrote: >>> That also doesn't take into account how many /8's are being hoarded >>> by >>> organizations that don't need even 25% of that space. >> which one's would those be? > > Whi

Re: [NANOG] Did Youtube not pay their domain bill?

2008-05-04 Thread Deepak Jain
> note that joe's example brings up the interface before starting the name > server program, and bringing it down if the name server program exits. > this presumes that the name server will start very quickly, and that while > running, it is healthy. since i've seen name server programs be unhealt