Re: Access to the IPv4 net for IPv6-only systems, was: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)

2007-10-02 Thread Daniel Senie
At 09:13 AM 10/2/2007, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 2-okt-2007, at 15:05, Adrian Chadd wrote: Please explain how you plan on getting rid of those protocol-aware plugins when IPv6 is widely deployed in environments with -stateful firewalls-. You just open up a hole in the firewall where a

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On 10/2/07, Brian Raaen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, a > better way to push IPv6 is make users want it and feel like they are missing > out if they don't have it. I campaign with some kind of slogan like 'got > IPv6' or "I've got ultra high tech IPv6 for my internet and you don't" with

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On 10/2/07, John Curran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >At the customer level, #1 has been thoroughly mitigated by NAT, > >eliminating demand. Indeed, the lack of IPv6 NAT creates a negative > >demand: folks used to NAT don't want to give it up. > > #1 has been partially mitigated by NAT, and perhap

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On 10/2/07, Jon Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, William Herrin wrote: > > At the customer level, #1 has been thoroughly mitigated by NAT, > > eliminating demand. Indeed, the lack of IPv6 NAT creates a negative > > demand: folks used to NAT don't want to give it up. > > At th

Rudimentary IPv6 Progress Report Page

2007-10-02 Thread Mike Leber
I've been messing around with parsing MRT format IPv6 BGP tables and saw Randy's posts about deployment progress (or lack thereof), so I threw together this site: http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi It gives a rough estimate of the percentage of: * Networks that run IPv6 (currently 3%).

Re: Creating demand for IPv6

2007-10-02 Thread William Herrin
On 10/2/07, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > During early phase of free pool exhaustion, when you can't deliver > > more IPv4 addresses to your customers you lose the customer to a > > hosting provider who still has addresses left. So sorry. Those will be > > some nasty years. Unless you'