Owen DeLong wrote:
Right, but a better approach would have been for the FCC to say "If you don't
build fiber, you won't keep getting USF money."
The FCC failed to look at the public interest and got rolled by the RBOCs again.
Owen
Regulatory capture. Nobody is immune. The only effective ma
held
> applying unbundling rules.
>
> Frank
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM
> To: John T. Yocum
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diver
applying unbundling rules.
Frank
-Original Message-
From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM
To: John T. Yocum
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Y
William Herrin writes:
> That depends on the cost of recovering it. We're not talking about
> salvage operators pulling cable, we're talking about highly trained
> [sic] Verizon installers.
>
> The last 4 pairs in use on that 3000 count cable will tend to linger a
> long, long time before you ca
> From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us]
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert E. Seastrom
> wrote:
> > Jimmy Hess writes:
> >
> >> Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
> >> recycled/put to good use.
> >
> > To put some numbers with this statement (which I agree w
I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of
course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part and replace
it wit
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
> Jimmy Hess writes:
>
>> Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
>> recycled/put to good use.
>
> To put some numbers with this statement (which I agree with btw):
>
> OSP cable is commonly available composed of 19 AWG,
- Original Message -
> From: "Robert E. Seastrom"
> I found scrap pricing for "telco" (obviously the contaminant ratios
> out there are different for different types of copper) at $1.20/pound,
> which may or may not be current, but if you figure a single pair of
> #24 is probably around 4
Jimmy Hess writes:
> Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be
> recycled/put to good use.
To put some numbers with this statement (which I agree with btw):
OSP cable is commonly available composed of 19 AWG, 22 AWG, 24 AWG,
and 26 AWG pairs. 19 and 26 are outliers; 19 is for l
My understanding was that fiber loops were originally included in UNE products
available to clecs but several years ago the FCC modified the regulations to
remove them.
So, if a service can be provisioned over a copper loop, a clec can offer it,
but the ilec doesn't have to share fiber loops or
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum
wrote:
> VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to maintain, and
As opposed to fiber plant which is indestructible and cheap to maintain?
Well, if VZ owns the copper, if it's not being used to provide a
service, and the price of
> Bingo.
>
> On the flip side of the equation, if you want to be an overbuilder (a
> third communications infrastructure provider beyond the phone and cable
> companies) the owner of the telephone poles is usually required by the
> state to sell you an "attachment." An attachment is a connection t
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM, John T. Yocum
wrote:
> That's probably a local requirement. It's not a Federal requirement. Though,
> some cable companies do provide wholesale services even when not required.
Bingo.
On the flip side of the equation, if you want to be an overbuilder (a
third com
On 3/21/2012 1:56 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
The hinky part is that the FCC decided that copper pairs are an
unbundled element but PONS wavelengths and Coaxial cable frequency
channels are not. So, Verizon doesn't have to share access to FIOS
- Original Message -
> From: "William Herrin" The hinky part is that the FCC decided that copper pairs are an
> unbundled element but PONS wavelengths and Coaxial cable frequency
> channels are not. So, Verizon doesn't have to share access to FIOS and
> Comcast doesn't have to share access
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>> Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
>> locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
>> prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
>> copper infrastructure. If there was co
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:00:32 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
> Someone tells me off list that indeed, if the plant isn't *there*, VZN
> isn't required to build it.
>
> Now, if that's the case, then they can't adminstratively block *someone
> else* from building it, either...
Yes, but it's assymetric.
- Original Message -
> From: "Michael Thomas"
> > VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to
> > maintain, and it requires that they sell service to competitors.
> > Once they've disconnected their customers from it, they can just
> > eliminate the copper plant. POTS ser
-Original Message-
From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:16 PM
To: Jay Ashworth
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
On 03/21/2012 12:28 PM, John T. Yocum wrote:
On 3/21/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Wieling"
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in
On 3/21/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Wieling"
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies fro
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Wieling"
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
copper
- Original Message -
> From: "Eric Wieling"
> Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
> locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
> prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
> copper infrastructure. If there was copper
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