FWIW, you can get 1U 48-pair LC patch panels, or, you can get Keystone
panels and LC duplex snapins. I believe Panduit, among others make
these products.
I've used them in the past. The snapins and the panels both expect an LC
termination of the back side fiber as well. They don't provide protecti
does these days.
Panduit also has some very similar parts.
-Scott
-Original Message-
From: Josh Hoppes [mailto:josh.hop...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM
To: nanog
Subject: Re: TOR fiber patch panels
Have you looked at anything from Clear Field, just as an example
Have you looked at anything from Clear Field, just as an example
something like this.
http://www.clearfieldconnection.com/products/panels/fieldsmart-small-count-delivery-scd-1ru-rack-mount-cabinet-mount-panel.html
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> I'm looking for better T
ber 30, 2012 9:20 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
> Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops might charge
> me with a crime. They took my computers an
[mailto:william.allen.simp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:20 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
> Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops mi
am Freitag, 30. November 2012 um 22:30 schrieb NANOG list:
> WAIT A SECOND HERE!?!?
> I just read below that this guy runs a large ISP in Austria.
The info from tor-talk was somewhat misleading. William Weber is not
the owner of the ISP. He works there as an administrator. So he runs
it (maybe)
On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:20 PM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> As well you could be, because you appear to have the same name as a
> registered sex offender:
Hey, that's a fun game:
http://www.sexoffenderin.com/reg77161/william_a_simpsonmugshot.htm
> As well you could be, because you appear to have the same name as a
> registered sex offender:
ok children. can we pull ourselves up out of the mud, please?
randy
On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops might charge
me with a crime. They took my computers and are looking at them. I did
not do anything wrong but just in case they decide to charge me with a
crime, please send me some money.
As
-
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:12 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; NANOG list
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
When is the last time you were arrested, or even in a
legal expenses which i expect to
>
>> > be around 5000-1 EUR.
>
>So you know how much it costs to defend a case with unknown charges and
>without knowing if you will be arrested yet?!?!?!
>
>This whole thing sounds flakier with every new detail.
>
&g
es and
without knowing if you will be arrested yet?!?!?!
This whole thing sounds flakier with every new detail.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eu...@leitl.org]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:25 AM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided fo
to defend a case with unknown charges and
without knowing if you will be arrested yet?!?!?!
This whole thing sounds flakier with every new detail.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eu...@leitl.org]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:25 AM
To: NANOG list
Subje
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From: Asad Haider
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:37:24 +
To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
Reply-To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org
William will
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> And which one is targetted at the specific repressive regime effectively
> created by the US broadband cartels? :-)
Rod Beck's proposal to modify the common carrier regs, of course.
--
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Aaron Porter wrote:
> > Would you feel better if instead of "Tor" it was called "Crowds" and
> > instead of those rapscallions at the EFF it was a nice respectable
> > AT&T Research project from Avi Ruben? I bet I still have my "Anonymity
> > Loves Company" shirt
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Hurricane Electric. Probably a tunnel from their tunnelbroker free v6 service.
$ whois 2001:470:f15d:fe1d:33f:ad43:1:fa4
Doh! See, I said my skills were lacking. How lacking I had not
realized. Dh, use whois. What a dummy. Consider me
-Original Message-
From: Jack Bates [mailto:jba...@brightok.net]
Sent: Thu 6/25/2009 2:39 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: tor - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO:
fields in the email addresses
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> ISPs are
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Steve Pirk wrote:
> On a related note, I posted a question about ipv6 a while back and the
> ticket I also opened is gertting bounced around with no one saying "yes,
> this is my space".
>
> My ipv6 skills are seriously lacking... Can anyone shed light on how to fi
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
A friend sent me these links:
https://www.torproject.org/faq.html.en#ExitPolicies
https://www.torproject.org/faq-abuse.html.en
https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en
https://www.torproject.org/torusers.html.en
On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Porter wrote:
Would you feel better if instead of "Tor" it was called "Crowds" and
instead of those rapscallions at the EFF it was a nice respectable
AT&T Research project from Avi Ruben?
Or, before that, if you knew that onion routers were invented by Paul
As I understand & pls correct if I am wrong:
> There is a long established legal tradition that telecommunication
> transport is not liable for the content it transmits. It's called
> common carrier.
Telephony = common carrier yes- considered 'basic service'under Telecom Act 96..
but data is con
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Aaron Porter wrote:
> Would you feel better if instead of "Tor" it was called "Crowds" and
> instead of those rapscallions at the EFF it was a nice respectable
> AT&T Research project from Avi Ruben? I bet I still have my "Anonymity
> Loves Company" shirt somewhere.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Running what's effectively an anonymous open proxy is not a bright
> idea, even if there's security bundled on..
>
> John Gilmore found that out after Verio disconnected his perpetual
> open relay for example .. and TOR is just as nu
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
ISPs are not common carriers. Geoff Huston is - as always - the guy
who explains it best.
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_5-3/uncommon_carrier.html
Except interestingly, TOR is the common carrier at its best, not
filtering and inve
for those for whom i am too terse
o i believe anonymity is a good thing, and i have done what i can to
support it for a few decades. you don't have to like it.
o i think tor is cool. you don't have to like it and i do not care.
o i found out you need to be a little careful when running
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> Fine; re-phrase my question as "an organisation currently enjoying common
> carrier
> status."
You do realize that even where the telco division of carrier X is a
common carrier but the ISP division is typically not ..
And even were the telc
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> >> Rod - you wouldnt qualify as an ISP - or even a "provider of an
> >> interactive computer service" to go by the language in 47 USC
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>> Rod - you wouldnt qualify as an ISP - or even a "provider of an
>> interactive computer service" to go by the language in 47 USC 230, by
>> simply running a TOR exit node.
>
> Ah, but would
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Rod - you wouldnt qualify as an ISP - or even a "provider of an
> interactive computer service" to go by the language in 47 USC 230, by
> simply running a TOR exit node.
Ah, but would an ISP which currently enjoys whatever the current definitio
Rod - you wouldnt qualify as an ISP - or even a "provider of an
interactive computer service" to go by the language in 47 USC 230, by
simply running a TOR exit node.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Rod Beck wrote:
> Richard,
>
> The question is how much ISPs should be responsible for the actions
Running what's effectively an anonymous open proxy is not a bright
idea, even if there's security bundled on..
John Gilmore found that out after Verio disconnected his perpetual
open relay for example .. and TOR is just as nutty a concept.
Nothing less that I'd expect from the EFF, frankly speak
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Rod Beck wrote:
This has nothing to do with telecommunications or any kind of carrier or
business relationship. This is intentionally leaving your computer open
so that anyone on the Internet can come along and appear to be coming
from your IP, where they will promptly set of
ANOG list'
Sent: Wed Jun 24 19:49:24 2009
Subject: Re: tor
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:27:25 -0400
"Joe Blanchard" wrote:
> Yes, allow records and perhaps a phone tap, but not held liable for
> the means to a crime as suggested in earlier
> emails.
>
> Again, lets get bac
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:27:25 -0400
"Joe Blanchard" wrote:
> Yes, allow records and perhaps a phone tap, but not held liable for
> the means to a crime as suggested in earlier
> emails.
>
> Again, lets get back to suitable content. We could certainly go on an
> on about the legal items
> but of
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Bates [mailto:jba...@brightok.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: Joe Blanchard
> Cc: 'Rod Beck'; 'Steven M. Bellovin'; trel...@trelane.net;
> 'NANOG list'
> Subject: Re: tor
>
>
>
>
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
If you did this activity with the express purpose of helping someone
else hide their identity, and thus their crime could be traced back to
you but no further, you might end up looking like you were aiding and
abetting.
Since when was anonymity a crime? Neither enta
Joe Blanchard wrote:
My gosh...
Ok, so if someone happens to talk about murder over the phone, is the phone
company providing the service held liable?
Lets get back to rational/informative content please.
The phone company still has to provide records of who owns the phone
number and perha
This is rapidly heading off topic, and I imagine the MLC will be
stepping in shortly. :)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:12 PM
> To: Steven M. Bellovin; trel...@trelane.net
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: RE: tor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:s...@cs.columbia.edu]
> Sent: Wed 6/24/2009 11:01 PM
> To: trel...@trelane.net
&g
Richard,
The question is how much ISPs should be responsible for the actions of their
clients.
My point is that is not obvious where you draw the line.
I have yet to see anyone, including yourself, articulate a general principle
(maybe it doesn't exist).
Roderick S. Beck
Director of Euro
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:18:20PM +0100, Rod Beck wrote:
>
> I am afraid what you described with the car is not illegal.
>
> It is highly unlikely any court would convict ... :)
I'm not going to try and play armchair lawyer here (since my original
comment was about the ethical and practical im
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>> sadly, naively turning up tor to help folk who wish to be anonymous in
>> hard times gets one a lot of assertive email from self-important people
>> who wear formal clothes.
>>
>> folk who learn this the
This has nothing to do with telecommunications or any kind of carrier or
business relationship. This is intentionally leaving your computer open
so that anyone on the Internet can come along and appear to be coming
from your IP, where they will promptly set off doing bad stuff that will
get traced
You're referring to the DMCAs safe harbor provision.
-brandon
On 6/24/09, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:48:58 -0400
> Andrew D Kirch wrote:
>
>> Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>> >
>> >> sadly, naively turning u
-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:s...@cs.columbia.edu]
Sent: Wed 6/24/2009 11:01 PM
To: trel...@trelane.net
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: tor
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:48:58 -0400
Andrew D Kirch wrote:
> Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:57:27PM +0100, Rod Beck wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> It is a more complicated issue than that.
>
> There is a long established legal tradition that telecommunication
> transport is not liable for the content it transmits. It's called
> common carrier. If someone makes an
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:48:58 -0400
Andrew D Kirch wrote:
> Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> >
> >> sadly, naively turning up tor to help folk who wish to be
> >> anonymous in hard times gets one a lot of assertive email from
> >> se
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-Original Message-
From: Richard A Steenbergen [mailto:r...@e-gerbil.net]
Sent: Wed 6/24/2009 10:41 PM
To: Randy Bush
Cc: NANOG list
Subject:
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>
>> sadly, naively turning up tor to help folk who wish to be anonymous in
>> hard times gets one a lot of assertive email from self-important people
>> who wear formal clothes.
>>
>> folk who learn this
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:15PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> sadly, naively turning up tor to help folk who wish to be anonymous in
> hard times gets one a lot of assertive email from self-important people
> who wear formal clothes.
>
> folk who learn this the hard way may find a pointer passed t
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