Re: mpls over microwave

2015-03-06 Thread Bryan Fields
On 2/6/15 11:32 AM, Donn Lasher wrote: > Properly engineered, however, is the key. Make sure whom-ever is building > your links looks at vendor specs, builds a real link budget (including > losses from connectors, cable, grounding, etc) properly weather seals > everything, and try to get at least a

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-12 Thread Scott Weeks
Just in case anyone looks this thread up in the future... We're likely going with Aviat and their "DAC GE card EXD-181-002" cards. >From the company: "Yes the Ethernet card does support jumbo frame size, IPV6 and MPLS EXP bits, QOS and VLANs with 802.1q tagging." scott

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-09 Thread Eric Louie
because I have a partial implementation of MPLS routers. Whether the routers support MPLS or not, the routing on an OSPF level doesn't depend on MPLS being enabled. Eventually everything will be MPLS-capable. The MPLS network is not multiple-path. The OSPF network is. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/Feb/15 00:31, Eric Louie wrote: > I work for a fixed wireless provider, and our mpls-capable backhauls are > all running mpls with 9200 MTU with no problem. The only weirdness I > encounter is if I have multiple equal-cost routes to the same location, one > over MPLS and one not, end up havi

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Tim Warnock
> -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Weeks > Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2015 5:26 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: mpls over microwave > > > There is no choice in this situation. I get what > I get

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Donn Lasher
One more add: Properly engineered, fixed wireless links can have better-than-wireline availability. Two jobs ago, we had customer links with zero dropped packets in 5 years, which is outstanding compared to most copper-based services. Properly engineered, however, is the key. Make sure whom-ever

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Scott Weeks
>-Original Message-> >From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks >Thanks everyone, > I feel a lot more confident on this project after > this discussion. I will be working with a comm > engineer who'll be doing the various radio links. > I just need to be s

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Huffman, Timothy
Kakaroukas Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 5:46 AM To: 'sur...@mauigateway.com'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: mpls over microwave Hey, We run few mpls links ( 7600s/3600s on the mpls side mostly ) over Ceragon wireless gear. Nothing too fancy, I just treat them as switches ( or even just &q

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Spyros Kakaroukas
Hey, We run few mpls links ( 7600s/3600s on the mpls side mostly ) over Ceragon wireless gear. Nothing too fancy, I just treat them as switches ( or even just "cables" for some boxes, not doing mac learning at all ). No issues whatsoever on the networking side. My thoughts and words are my o

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-06 Thread Naslund, Steve
nt: Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:42 PM >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: mpls over microwave >Thanks everyone, >I feel a lot more confident on this project after this discussion. I will be >working with a comm engineer who'll be doing the various radio links. >I just n

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Daniel Hooper
un...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Naslund, Steve Sent: Friday, 6 February 2015 10:39 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mpls over microwave We run Dragonwave systems and have no issues at all. MPLS in itself doesn't make a difference since the gear is a straight Ethernet link. Just make sure yo

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Scott Weeks
Thanks everyone, I feel a lot more confident on this project after this discussion. I will be working with a comm engineer who'll be doing the various radio links. I just need to be sure he can make the best decision as we're moving from ATM to MPLS and he doesn't understand the networking

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Naslund, Steve
We run Dragonwave systems and have no issues at all. MPLS in itself doesn't make a difference since the gear is a straight Ethernet link. Just make sure your gear handles your frame sizes and tagging and you should be good. As long as your radio link is engineered right you should have high

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Scott Weeks
--- davidbass...@gmail.com wrote: Always used Ethernet handoffs on the radios to keep things simple. - Had to run off to a meeting. Back now. This is one thing I was worried about. I'm not doing the radio part. Someone else is. I didn't know if folks do pu

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread David Bass
Done it, and it works well. Used Motorola radios, and the key is the radio and building that part of the infrastructure right. The MPLS is just another IP packet to the wireless. Always used Ethernet handoffs on the radios to keep things simple. Make sure you have good line of site, have a

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Eric Louie
I work for a fixed wireless provider, and our mpls-capable backhauls are all running mpls with 9200 MTU with no problem. The only weirdness I encounter is if I have multiple equal-cost routes to the same location, one over MPLS and one not, end up having ping/unreachable issues from my monitoring

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Christian Kuhtz
Not doing anymore, but I have in a previous life. It works. What's more important is how you engineered your radios and what you're using... Best regards, Christian -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Scott Weeks Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 1

RE: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Sipes, Nathan
-Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:58 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mpls over microwave Shouldn't really be any different as long as your gear supports the appropriate MTUs. - Mike Ha

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Scott Weeks
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > Anyone doing MPLS over microwave radios? Please > share your experiences on list or off. --- ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: From: Adair Winter We are. What would you like to know? - What

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Shouldn't really be any different as long as your gear supports the appropriate MTUs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Weeks" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:55:04 PM Subject:

Re: mpls over microwave

2015-02-05 Thread Adair Winter
We are. What would you like to know? On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > Anyone doing MPLS over microwave radios? Please > share your experiences on list or off. > > scott > -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180