Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-20 Thread Joe Hamelin
David said:* Gotta watch out for specifying T1 when you want Ethernet- they could just give you 4 wires on pins 1,2,4,5 :)* I think Patrick was thinking back in the days when Ethernet was just two pairs. You could get away with a lot on 10BaseT, I've even used dry telco pairs between buildings wh

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" > Colo providers are absolutely worried about drops in xconn revenue. > Look at some large colo providers who are public and split out their > numbers. Youll see that the percentage of their profit from xconns is > usually more than double the percentage of their reven

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
big drop in revenue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread David Barak via NANOG
utions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> >>> From: "Brandon Butterworth" >&

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Dave Temkin
oore's law... _ From: Brandon Butterworth Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:56 AM Subject: Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh To: , Cc: If they've based their model on extracting profit proportional to technology speed then they've misunderstood Moore's law brandon

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
m >> >> >> - Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Brandon Butterworth" >> To: br...@pobox.com, d...@temk.in >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:55:57 AM >> Subject: Re: cross connects and their pound of fles

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread jim deleskie
ions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Brandon Butterworth" > To: br...@pobox.com, d...@temk.in > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "Brandon Butterworth" To: br...@pobox.com, d...@temk.in Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 8:55:57 AM Subject: Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh Dave Temkin wrote: > And as colo operators get freaked out over margin compression on the > impen

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Dave Temkin wrote: > And as colo operators get freaked out over margin compression on the > impending 10->100G conversion (which is happening exponentially faster than > 100->1G & 1G->10G) they'll need to move those levers of spend around > regardless. If they've based their model on extracting p

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
8:19:16 AM Subject: Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Brandon Ross wrote: > > > Value based pricing is all the rage these days, which is why they charge > you so much for cross connects. Exactly. Not that I don't like free cros

Re: cross connects and their pound of flesh

2016-06-19 Thread Dave Temkin
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Brandon Ross wrote: > > > Value based pricing is all the rage these days, which is why they charge > you so much for cross connects. Exactly. Not that I don't like free cross connects (they're the bees knees, in fact), but at the end of the day, an existing col