Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-05 Thread Bryan Fields
On 12/4/13 5:20 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > I believe you will find that any carrier says "Nationwide means where we > have coverage, and unlimited means 'if you're on our towers'." TSRH. When I was at Alltel we discovered one client that was using his 3g card on a roaming partners network 24/7. A

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-05 Thread Joshua Goldbard
message From: "cb.list6" mailto:cb.li...@gmail.com>> Date: 12/05/2013 5:33 AM (GMT-09:00) To: Warren Bailey mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>> Cc: Henry Yen mailto:he...@aegisinfosys.com>>,Joshua Goldbard mailto:j...@2600hz.com>>,nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-05 Thread Warren Bailey
ink in belt tightening years limiting domestic roaming saved substantial cost ... since it can be expensive having some users living on roamed networks CB > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > Original message > From: Joshua Goldbard mailto:j...@2600hz.co

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-05 Thread cb.list6
think in belt tightening years limiting domestic roaming saved substantial cost ... since it can be expensive having some users living on roamed networks CB > > Sent from my Mobile Device. > > > Original message > From: Joshua Goldbard > Date: 12/04

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-05 Thread Joshua Goldbard
s money.. (don't bring up ran gear or smsc costs.. It's not related) Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Joshua Goldbard mailto:j...@2600hz.com>> Date: 12/04/2013 4:10 PM (GMT-09:00) To: Henry Yen mailto:he...@aegisinfosys.com>> Cc: nanog@nan

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Warren Bailey
WER) is different? That is like saying sms costs network providers money.. (don't bring up ran gear or smsc costs.. It's not related) Sent from my Mobile Device. Original message From: Joshua Goldbard Date: 12/04/2013 4:10 PM (GMT-09:00) To: Henry Yen Cc: nanog@nan

RE: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Frank Bulk
ccess, not "unlimited quantity" or "unlimited speed". Frank -Original Message- From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:53 PM To: Jack Vizelter Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions.. T

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Joshua Goldbard
Ting is an MVNO (just like my company 2600hz) and while it would violate the terms of my NDA to confirm the 10x number I can say that we found it to be prohibitively expensive. One should be aware that, just like in the IP transit world, the small players have different rules than the big kids.

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: From: Jared Mauch In "outlying" areas, such as Maine, Alaska, Hawaii, you're better off using a local telco. More likely to have better coverage. Not in Hawaii. Hawaiian Telcom used to (still do?) use Sprint's cell n

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Henry Yen
On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 22:18:12PM +, Joshua Goldbard wrote: > ... When you send your data > over a partners network it raises your wireless company's cost of > delivering service, in some cases so much so that you become > unprofitable. Some folks over at Ting(.com) suggest that the cost for

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Jared Mauch
; In my experience, nationwide, typically just means the continental 48 states, > for the most part. > > > > > From: Jay Ashworth [j...@baylink.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:20 PM > To: NANOG > Subject: Re: Quest

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Ryan Wilkins
Since we're on the subject of T-Mobile USA, who was kind enough to send me a notification via SMS that my 10 megabytes of roaming data allotment was all used up yesterday while driving a long stretch of I-77 between somewhere in mid-Ohio all the way to somewhere about Wytheville, VA, I'm pretty

RE: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Jack Vizelter
In my experience, nationwide, typically just means the continental 48 states, for the most part. From: Jay Ashworth [j...@baylink.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 5:20 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Jay Ashworth
> Have any of you experienced or been subjected to a "domestic data > roaming policy"? I am a customer of a carrier who advertises > "Unlimited Nationwide 4G data", but limits their customers to 50MB per > month while traveling in an area they do not have coverage (Alaska, > for example). I've neve

Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

2013-12-04 Thread Joshua Goldbard
TL;DR: peering is not free in wireless. Hi, So as you may or may not be aware, most operators do not, in fact have nationwide networks, just as you, as I assume you're an operator, do not run last mile connectivity to all your customers (or every intervening interconnect for that matter). The