Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-04-16 Thread Kenneth McRae
63 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Faisal Imtiaz" Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:24:18 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear Point taken on the s

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-04-16 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
gt; Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Kenneth McRae" > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" > Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:24:18 PM > Sub

RE: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-13 Thread David Boisseleau
Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear Yes can do long distances without need to amplifier site (train tracks for example) but you need to make sure ground is stable and if using track bed of train track that the ballast is good and stable else ground tremors affect the signal quality. Colin

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Colin Johnston
gt;> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Christopher Morrow" >> To: "Kenneth McRae" >> Cc: "NANOG" >> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Tim Durack
ssage - > > From: "Christopher Morrow" > To: "Kenneth McRae" > Cc: "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: > 2km

RE: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Nick Ellermann
Mike, Look into SolidOptics. www.Solidoptics.com Great Mux and Add-drops, plus fantastic optics. We are not optical engineers so when we have had questions about new links their team has always been open about what will and what won't work based on what we are trying to accomplish. We are on

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
@snappytelecom.net From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Faisal Imtiaz" Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear That's true up to a point.  Specs are only as good as the entity provi

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
6 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Faisal Imtiaz" Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
.net - Original Message - > From: "Kenneth McRae" > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" > Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:24:18 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > Point taken on the specs.. Still doesn

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > That's true up to a point. Specs are only as good as the entity providing the > data. I can tell you a few stories about specs and some MAJOR fails by a > major network equipment manufacturer

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
;Faisal Imtiaz" Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:01:29 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear That's true up to a point.  Specs are only as good as the entity providing the data.  I can tell you a few stories about specs and some MAJOR

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
ns the same in this business... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom - Original Message - > From: "Simon Lockhart" > To: "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 4:06:46 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > > That's

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Kenneth McRae" > To: "Faisal Imtiaz" > Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Simon Lockhart
> That's why I engage the engineering resources on their end to make sure the > chosen candidate will support the use case. I have now performed an A/B > comparison and the FiberStore gear is inferior. Excessive loss on the mux > and optics. Just for comparison sake, I should say that we've bought

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
05 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Faisal Imtiaz" Cc: "Rodrigo 1telecom" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:49:16 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear That'

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
; , "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:49:16 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > That's why I engage the engineering resources on their end to make sure the > chosen candidate will support the use case. I have now performed an A/B > comparison and the Fi

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:24:43 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear What others vendors do you using? Here in Brazil only PADTEC have this passive solution... Some days ago Digitel contact me to show your multiplex solution... Is a active solution... We import this fr

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "Rodrigo 1telecom" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:44:19 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear If you pay close attent

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
e" > Cc: "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:24:43 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > What others vendors do you using? Here in Brazil only PADTEC have this > passive solution... Some days ago Digitel contact me to show your multiplex > solution..

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
iaz Snappy Internet & Telecom - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:32:14 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > Multiple 10G, yes. I'll reach out to the vendors mentioned to see how they

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
ecom - Original Message - > From: "Kenneth McRae" > To: "Rodrigo 1telecom" > Cc: "NANOG" > Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:04:10 PM > Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > > Hi Enviado, > > I cannot recommend FiberStore as I had a bad ex

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Rodrigo 1telecom
What others vendors do you using? Here in Brazil only PADTEC have this passive solution... Some days ago Digitel contact me to show your multiplex solution... Is a active solution... We import this from fiberstore, but i don't know others vendors to buy 10G sfp+ cwdm and this mux/demux... Envia

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Phil Bedard
Mike Hammett >Intelligent Computing Solutions >http://www.ics-il.com > >- Original Message - > >From: "Phil Bedard" >To: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG" >Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:17:48 PM >Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > &

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: "Mark Tinka" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:26:28 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear On 7/Feb/15 21:17, Phil Bedard wrote: > Is this for 10G? I'm kind of assuming 10G. What kind of equipment is > being plugged into

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
quot;Mike Hammett" , "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:17:48 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear Is this for 10G? I'm kind of assuming 10G. What kind of equipment is being plugged into these? 300km is way beyond what you'll get with a passive solution, it's

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Feb/15 21:17, Phil Bedard wrote: > Is this for 10G? I'm kind of assuming 10G. What kind of equipment is > being plugged into these? 300km is way beyond what you'll get with a > passive solution, it's definitely in the "long-haul" terrtory. If you are > launching out of a router the best

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
an AlcaLu quote under $25k once, but it wasn't far under. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:12

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Phil Bedard
sage - > >From: "Christopher Morrow" >To: "Kenneth McRae" >Cc: "NANOG" >Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM >Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear > >would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: >2

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
r. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Kenneth McRae" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:17:35 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear Are you look

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
Hi Enviado, I cannot recommend FiberStore as I had a bad experience with them.  I needed to cover only 3km from A to B side.  When using 10km optics, I saw a loss of over 5db  with their passive mux inserted into the path which created a total loss of over -20db which is outside of the toleran

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Rodrigo 1telecom
Hi kenneth... which the distance do you have from side A to side B when you using passive solutions from fiberstore( mux and demux)? I buy this mux and demux(4 channels single fiber) and only make a test about 60km( mux side A and demux on side B) with sfp+10gb for 80km... ( only see ddm on my

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
uot; To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:17:35 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear Are you looking for an active or passive solution? On Feb 07, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: One particular route I'm looking at is 18

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
l.com - Original Message - From: "Christopher Morrow" To: "Kenneth McRae" Cc: "NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: 2km 30km 300km 3000km

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
"NANOG" Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: 2km 30km 300km 3000km Probably the 30-60k range is what you mean by 'long distances' but... clarity might help.

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Christopher Morrow
would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: 2km 30km 300km 3000km Probably the 30-60k range is what you mean by 'long distances' but... clarity might help. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kenneth McRae wrote: > Mike, > > I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passi

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Kenneth McRae
Mike, I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passive muxes with OSI Hardware equipment.  The FiberStore gear was a huge disappointment (excessive loss, poor technical support, refusal to issue refund without threatening legal action, etc.).   I have had good results from the OSI equipment s

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
For clarification, I do know that the mainstream vendors can take standard wavelengths and can do long distances, but that's where the arms and legs come in. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To:

Re: Low cost WDM gear

2015-02-07 Thread Manuel Marín
Hi Mike I can recommend a couple of vendors that provide cost effective solutions. Ekinops & Packetlight. On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Mike Hammett wrote: > I know there are various Asian vendors for low cost (less than $500) muxes > to throw 16 or however many colors onto a strand. However,