rom: Jorge Amodio [mailto:jmamo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:35 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: The real issue
> it's a real shame that there is no mailing list for the endless arin
> policy disease threads.
Ohh, you can merge it with the one about the ICANN gover
> it's a real shame that there is no mailing list for the endless arin
> policy disease threads.
Ohh, you can merge it with the one about the ICANN governance outcry
nonsense, that way will be easier to filter or delete.
My .02
Jorge
> Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from people
> who have long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for it,
> prepared to start filing civil suits against people who were assigned /
> 24's (and paid for them) due to inaccurate declaration?
it's a real shame t
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:59:24PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> ... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support
> that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For
> allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ...
> that's a lengthy
But you are okay with them raising your fees to go to court left and
right to enforce the declarations made by CEO's of companies who are
happily paying the fees for the space they've been assigned.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
1) I don't care to pay higher member fees bec
Simple, send it to the address and contact listed in their whois record.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
where do you send the bill? For some even large organizations I've
seen bills get shuffled to random places that didn't deal with 'bills'
and then get dropped. Not ev
day, April 21, 2009 8:54 PM
To: nanog list
Subject: Re: The real issue
Shane Ronan wrote:
Very simple, just do it.
Ha! We have some legacy IP space in continous use here at ASN13345
for
over 12 years now that was recently "revoked" for a few weeks (only
to
be later restored via
Original Message-
From: Shane Ronan [mailto:sro...@fattoc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:27 PM
To: Christopher Morrow
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: The real issue
Very simple, just do it.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 P
Shane Ronan wrote:
No, but they can sure send them a bill and then go after them for
collections when they don't pay it.
1) I don't care to pay higher member fees because ARIN has been going to
court left and right.
2) ARIN membership hasn't voted for such, because they probably didn't
wan
not something that ARIN
can go cowboy up and fix. (not for lack of trying over the years of
course)
-Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: christopher.mor...@gmail.com [mailto:christopher.mor...@gmail.com]
> On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8
Y need to talk to ASX who's
their provider...'
-Chris
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Lewinski [mailto:m...@rockynet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:54 PM
> To: nanog list
> Subject: Re: The real issue
>
> Shane Ronan wrote:
>> Very simpl
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a
>> method to affect routability of a network.
>
> Sure they do. They can and have put pressure on networks to stop
> adver
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Shane Ronan wrote:
However if someone at ARIN had put in a call to say the top 10 transit
providers and asked them to black-hole this space (which they might do)
then where would you have been?
You say that as if it hasn't happened.
---
an
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: The real issue
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Very simple, just do it.
>
This isn't nike...
I'm sorry for being obtuse, but they (arin) can't really do anything.
I suspect that if they had to prosecute all folks in violation
list
Subject: Re: The real issue
Shane Ronan wrote:
> Very simple, just do it.
Ha! We have some legacy IP space in continous use here at ASN13345 for
over 12 years now that was recently "revoked" for a few weeks (only to
be later restored via a transfer once the exact definition o
Shane Ronan wrote:
Very simple, just do it.
Ha! We have some legacy IP space in continous use here at ASN13345 for
over 12 years now that was recently "revoked" for a few weeks (only to
be later restored via a transfer once the exact definition of
"ownership" in a member-owned cooperative wa
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote:
arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a
method to affect routability of a network.
Sure they do. They can and have put pressure on networks to stop
advertisements from being propagated. What they can actually do if
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Very simple, just do it.
>
This isn't nike...
I'm sorry for being obtuse, but they (arin) can't really do anything.
I suspect that if they had to prosecute all folks in violation of the
RSA they would have financial issues... and it wouldn't
Very simple, just do it.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan
wrote:
It's means one of two things:
sure, but 'how' exactly?
1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation
or
arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routabi
On Apr 21, 2009 19:46 Shane Ronan wrote:
> 2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space
I'm curious what the going rate on a /24 is?
-bb
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> It's means one of two things:
>
sure, but 'how' exactly?
> 1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation
> or
arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a
method to affect routability of a network.
> 2) Have the
It's means one of two things:
1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation
or
2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space
On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan
wrote:
Is ARIN, who won't even take back la
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from people who have
> long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for it, prepared to
> start filing civil suits against people who were assigned /24's (and paid
> for them) due
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