On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Jon Lewis <jle...@lewis.org> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a >> method to affect routability of a network. > > Sure they do. They can and have put pressure on networks to stop > advertisements from being propagated. What they can actually do if their > bluff is called, I have no idea, but I've seen their influence work. >
Right: "Jon, hey this is hostmaster-at-arin-guy, your customer Jim is announcing a prefix that we think isn't his, anymore. Could you block that?" you: "Well, they do pay me, they are current, why do you think something bad is going on here?" <evidence passed around, whois records removed> you: "Ok, since you are arin, and I'm a good guy, I'll call the customer, get their side and give them some time to migrate off/repair their ARIN issues, end-of-week ok?" 1) assuming Jon is a 'good guy' (jon-lewis is, or has seemingly always been) 2) assuming this isn't a blatant VMX-networks-type hijack 3) assuming ARIN has a reason to pull whois content I've been on the receiving end of that sort of call, and I've pulled ASN's or ip-announcements back... but I've also seen customers get into tangles for non-payment when bills went to someone who didn't understand what ARIN was :( In the end, ARIN can't do anything if the 'customer' or 'ISP' in this case decides to not listen to ARIN. >>> 2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space >> >> ... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support >> that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For >> allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ... >> that's a lengthy process and expensive. > > Having looked back at old copies of the domain-template.txt and > internet-number-template.txt, I really don't see why one group was > grandfathered in with an indefinite free ride and the other was not at all. mysteries... I don't claim to understand that either... someone, I suppose, long ago thought that this interwebz thing wasn't going to take off? (or that 4b numbers really was enough...) -Chris
