RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-09 Thread Brandon Kim
w end Netscreens you can try also that have traffic shaping features. > Subject: RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router > From: gordsla...@ieee.org > To: brandon@brandontek.com > CC: nanog@nanog.org > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:33:04 +0100 > > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 20:0

RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-09 Thread Cory Ayers
> Definitely worth the try. Your biggest enemy may be 12.4 IOS. It's > bloated and buggy in my experience, but that has mostly been edge > services. If 12.4 pegs your processor, you may want to check the > software/hardware matrix and see if one of the older 12.0/2 service > provider trains that th

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Jack Bates
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: With a G1 you'll be able to shape just fine, even do fancy stuff like fair-queue within those 80 megs. I've done this on a NPE-300, but only egress, and as long as packet sizes were fairly large (normal TCP sessions with mostly 1500 byte packets + ACKs) it coped with

RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 20:01 -0400, Brandon Kim wrote: > What about purchasing a low-end packetshaper to be used in between? If - 1/ budget is a problem and 2/ you have no BSD knowledge inhouse and 3/ the LAN side is all ethernet you could have a stab at using a PFsense box with two (and str

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: So you guys would not recommend the traffic shaping route on a 7206 with a NPE-G1? Is it the processor or memory that would not be able to handle it? With a G1 you'll be able to shape just fine, even do fancy stuff like fair-queue within those 80 megs. I

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Danny McPherson
On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: > Thanks again for all the responses to my previous post. > > We have a Cisco 7206VXR router with IOS of 12.4(12) and a PA-POS-1OC3 > card ofr our OC3. > > The problem we have now is that we are only paying for 80 MB/s of the > OC-3, and the ISP is

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Christopher J. Pilkington
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 01:43:17PM -1000, Antonio Querubin wrote: > Traffic-shaping 80Mb/s of traffic is probably not a good idea for your > router cpu :) I concur, we shape a 100Mb/s ethernet down to 50Mb/s on a 3845, so that QoS is doable. The router gets brought to its knees around 40Mb/s. T

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/8/2010 18:40, Alan Bryant wrote: > Also, are there any upgrades that can be done to this router to > increase it's processing power? Is there something better for the > 7206VXR than the NPE-G1? I see the NPE-G2, but even on ebay it is very > costly. > The NPE-G2 is the next step after the N

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Alan Bryant
Also, are there any upgrades that can be done to this router to increase it's processing power? Is there something better for the 7206VXR than the NPE-G1? I see the NPE-G2, but even on ebay it is very costly. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: > So you guys would not recommend the

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Alan Bryant
So you guys would not recommend the traffic shaping route on a 7206 with a NPE-G1? Is it the processor or memory that would not be able to handle it? I don't necessarily plan on doing anything other than limiting it at 80Mbps or whatever it is that we are capping ourselves at at the time. On Thu,

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 18:54 -0500, Jack Bates wrote: > underpowered router or poor code Agreed. So which is it? :) To be fair, some IOS versions were better than others at it in my limited experience of that chassis. Gord -- I hold you XAP

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread gordon b slater
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 16:35 -0700, Kenny Sallee wrote: > I think if you try to traffic-shape 80Mbps on that platform you'll have > problems. We have a 7200 with NPE-G1 (rate limited at 80Mbps) and it killed > the CPU when the threshold was hit. I imagine that traffic-shaping would do > the same t

RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Brandon Kim
What about purchasing a low-end packetshaper to be used in between? I know this doesn't answer the question but could it be an option? > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 13:43:17 -1000 > From: t...@lava.net > To: jay.mur...@state.nm.us > Subject: RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router >

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Jack Bates
Antonio Querubin wrote: Traffic-shaping 80Mb/s of traffic is probably not a good idea for your router cpu :) Honestly, cpu overhead shouldn't be an issue with a traffic shape queue. If it is, probably a seriously underpowered router or poor code. Now if you applied extensive rules for var

RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Murphy, Jay, DOH wrote: Traffic shaping produces a queue, and does not completely junk a packet. It becomes q'd, and produces a smoother output. Traffic-shaping 80Mb/s of traffic is probably not a good idea for your router cpu :) Antonio Querubin 808-545-5282 x3003 e-mai

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Bret Clark
Agree...when you rate limit verse shaping you can actually cause more traffic because the packets need to be retransmitted to deal with those that got dropped. On 07/08/2010 06:43 PM, Murphy, Jay, DOH wrote: traffic-shape rate 7500 9000 9000 1000 for example. Your rate limit will

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Kenny Sallee
il > > > -Original Message- > From: Antonio Querubin [mailto:t...@lava.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:26 PM > To: Alan Bryant > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router > > On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: > > > The pr

RE: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Murphy, Jay, DOH
og@nanog.org Subject: Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: > The problem we have now is that we are only paying for 80 MB/s of the > OC-3, and the ISP is leaving the capping of it up to us. I have BTW, rate-limiting of traffic that the ISP router sends to

re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Nick Olsen
That's strange, Are you paying for a CIR of 80Mb/s? Normally they only leave the limiting up to you if its more of a burstable connection, Like you pay for 80Mb/s but its a full line rate interface and its billed per Mb/s over 80 on a 95th percentile scheme. If that is the case you can safely go o

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: The problem we have now is that we are only paying for 80 MB/s of the OC-3, and the ISP is leaving the capping of it up to us. I have BTW, rate-limiting of traffic that the ISP router sends to your router is best done at the ISP router. Antonio Querubi

Re: Rate Limiting on Cisco Router

2010-07-08 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Alan Bryant wrote: We have tried the rate-limit command with various parameters and we are unable to keep it at 80. I have read that this is not the correct way to do it, but I'm not sure what is. What burst parameters are you using? Try something along the lines of: rat