Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Jared Mauch
I disagree somewhat, without a view of how you are being hijacked there often can be no remediation. Yahoo for example provides no cloud services so you can't purchase a view of their routing by getting a VM. Jared Mauch > On May 24, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Max Tulyev wrote: > > I'm right here at

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Max Tulyev
I'm right here at RIPE 72 now, so I saw it of course ;) The problem is not peering itself, but more general problem of filtering nets, and it was told in the presentation. On 24.05.16 13:19, Jared Mauch wrote: > >> On May 24, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >> If you dig into hijacking t

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Jared Mauch
> On May 24, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Max Tulyev wrote: > > If you dig into hijacking topic more, you will see that hijacks through > Tier1 is same or even more popular than through IXes. You may not have a view into that you’re being hijacked and used to send SPAM for example: https://ripe72.ripe.ne

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Max Tulyev
If you dig into hijacking topic more, you will see that hijacks through Tier1 is same or even more popular than through IXes. And if someone want to make me a transit offer for the price of DE-CIX (I do not even ask the price of DTEL-IX peering ;) ) - please, contact me off-list, I will be really

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Jared Mauch
> On May 16, 2016, at 4:29 PM, Baldur Norddahl > wrote: > > Router ports are expensive, so even if cross connects were free, you would > still use the public switch fabric until you reach a traffic level that > justifies a direct connection. The point of having a IX switch is that you > can con

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-24 Thread Marty Strong via NANOG
Typically you would use a private VLAN between you and another participant in order to connect to them separately from the public peering VLAN. You would do this instead of a PNI in a situation where you’re in a different building from the other participant making a direct fibre more expensive t

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Ken Chase
And what benefit is there to this 'public' vlan service? A shared vlan between all participants (with some well organized numbering/indexing scheme)? TorIX (Toronto) is about to have an AGM here and this VLAN thing which has been in the air for 3 years will certainly be brought up again. /kc On

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Marty Strong via NANOG
The usefulness of an elastic fabric as far as I can see it are: - Can give you a private VLAN to some *cloud* providers that provide direct access to them in some other fashion than peering (assumedly for enterprises) - Is spread across multiple buildings across a metro area - Is elastic so can b

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Reza Motamedi
I'm glad we are having this discussion. I want to clarify something, since I'm not sure I'm following the terminology. What Max referred to as "VLAN exchange" is what Equinix markets as "*private VLAN"*, right? I just copy-pasted a portion of Equinix's IX brochure that covers the services that th

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Owen DeLong
As mentioned by others, they do exist, but usually not for exactly the reason you state. In most cases, peers go to PNI instead of peering via the exchange when it does not make sense to grow laterally at the exchange for significant bilateral traffic. It’s much less expensive to get a cross-co

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Sun, May 22, 2016 at 09:33:38AM +0300, Max Tulyev wrote: > That should be a more easy and much less expensive way for private > interconnects than direct wires. The problem is peering is not an even distribution by traffic level. When BigCDNCo connects to BigCableCo, they

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread James Bensley
>> On 22 May 2016, at 07:33, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I wonder why a "VLAN exchange" does not exists. Or I do not know any? >> >> In my understanding it should be a switch, and people connected can >> easily order a private VLAN between each other (or to private group) >> through some

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Jac Kloots
Hi Max, These do exist, at least in the NREN part of the internet. Have a look at netherlight (www.netherlight.net) and the bigger picture GLIF (www.glif.is) and where you read 'lightpath' replace that with ethernet p2p. Regards, Jac On Sun, 22 May 2016, Max Tulyev wrote: Hi All, I wond

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Marty Strong via NANOG
This does exist, often called an elastic fabric, e.g. Megaport Regards, Marty Strong -- CloudFlare - AS13335 Network Engineer ma...@cloudflare.com +44 7584 906 055 smartflare (Skype) http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=13335 > On 22 May 2016, at 07:33, Max T

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-23 Thread Max Tulyev
Hi All, I wonder why a "VLAN exchange" does not exists. Or I do not know any? In my understanding it should be a switch, and people connected can easily order a private VLAN between each other (or to private group) through some kind of web interface. That should be a more easy and much less expe

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-16 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 16 May 2016, Reza Motamedi wrote: Hi Nick, Thanks for the reply. Let me clarify another issue first, since I thought the colo's business model is different at least in the US. So if AS-a puts its router in Equinix, it should pay the same amount in the following two scenario (only consi

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-16 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 16 May 2016 at 22:06, Reza Motamedi wrote: > With respect to my second question, I was asking if is practical/reasonable > to keep both the connection types to same network (say AS-b) at the same > time, i.e., connect privately over a cross-connect and keep the public > connection over the IX.

Re: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-16 Thread Reza Motamedi
Hi Nick, Thanks for the reply. Let me clarify another issue first, since I thought the colo's business model is different at least in the US. So if AS-a puts its router in Equinix, it should pay the same amount in the following two scenario (only considering the interconnection cost and not the r

RE: Question on peering strategies

2016-05-16 Thread Nick Ellermann
Reza, You maybe overthinking this one a bit. The economics are something to consider, however all public exchanges have different economics. With Equinix you pay pretty much a flat rate for a single 1Gbps/10Gbps link that includes the cost of facility cross-connect and public exchange access.