Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On onsdag, onsdag 4 feb 2009 19.02.56 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" wrote: > Second, where did you get 4 users per /64? Are you planning to hand each > cable modem a /64? Telia got their /20 based on calculations where they give every customer a /48. Every apartment in every highrise gets 2^16 n

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Nathan Ward
On 5/02/2009, at 3:09 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: TJ wrote: No, we should hand each home a /56 (or perhaps a /48, for the purists out there) - allowing for multiple segments (aka subnet, aka links, etc.). If there are, say, 250-500 million broadband services in the world (probably more)

RE: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread TJ
>Has anyone done some analysis of what this might look like? Especially with growth etc. Sure, probably lots of people lots of times. Off the top of my head, using some current/common allocations sizes: Current "Global Unicast" space --> 2000::/3 An "average" RIR --> /12 a

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
TJ wrote: No, we should hand each home a /56 (or perhaps a /48, for the purists out there) - allowing for multiple segments (aka subnet, aka links, etc.). If there are, say, 250-500 million broadband services in the world (probably more) then, if every ISP followed best practise for IPv6 addr

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
TJ wrote: >> Some devices will refuse to work if you subnet smaller than a /64. (Yes, >> poorly designed, etc.) > > Actually, no - not poorly designed. The spec says it must be a /64 > (excluding those starting with 000 binary) so that is what devices > (rightfully) expect. Ref: http://tools.

RE: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread TJ
>Some devices will refuse to work if you subnet smaller than a /64. (Yes, >poorly designed, etc.) Actually, no - not poorly designed. The spec says it must be a /64 (excluding those starting with 000 binary) so that is what devices (rightfully) expect. Ref: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#

RE: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread TJ
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore >> wrote: >> >>> Except the RIRs won't give you another /48 when you have only used >>> one trillion IP addresses. >> >> Of course they will! A /48 is only the equivalent of 65536 "networks" >> (each network being a /64). Presuming that ISPs a

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Anthony Roberts
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:56:44 -0800, Scott Howard wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, > Anthony Roberts wrote: > >> It has been my experience that when you give someone a huge address space >> to play with (eg 10/8), they start doing things like using bits in the >> address as flags for thing

RE: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
> > IPv4-style utilization ratios do make some sense under IPv6, but not > > at the > > address level - only at the network level. > > First, it was (mostly) a joke. > > Second, where did you get 4 users per /64? Are you planning to hand > each cable modem a /64? > At the least. Some would sa

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Seth Mattinen
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howard wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore >> wrote: >> >>> Except the RIRs won't give you another /48 when you have only used one >>> trillion IP addresses. >> >> Of course they will! A /48 is only the equivale

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 4, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Scott Howard wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Except the RIRs won't give you another /48 when you have only used one trillion IP addresses. Of course they will! A /48 is only the equivalent of 65536 "networks" (each network be

Re: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)

2009-02-04 Thread Scott Howard
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Anthony Roberts wrote: > It has been my experience that when you give someone a huge address space > to play with (eg 10/8), they start doing things like using bits in the > address as flags for things. Suddenly you find yourself using a prefix > that should enough