Bowden" wrote:
You forgot the clip board. Without the clip board, no one will
believe
it.
J
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ringsmuth [mailto:andyr...@inebraska.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:52 PM
To: Daryl G. Jurbala
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fibe
I agree 100 percent The clipboard makes it official...
--Original Message--
From: Jamie Bowden
To: Andy Ringsmuth
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
Sent: Apr 13, 2009 9:07 AM
You forgot the clip board. Without the clip
You forgot the clip board. Without the clip board, no one will believe
it.
J
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ringsmuth [mailto:andyr...@inebraska.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:52 PM
To: Daryl G. Jurbala
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts
*SNIP*
located ten feet down a manhole on
Monterey Highway, north of Blossom Hill Road in San Jose.
Authorities also found two other locations where fiber optic cables were
similarly cut -- near Hayes Avenue and Cottle Road in San Jose
*SNIP*
Just for clarification, these locations are one in the
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
>
> > Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
>
> Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html
And maybe even less than half *that*. You don't actually need the tool
in many cases. A good b
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Carlos Alcantar wrote:
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
Less than half that. http://www.toolup.com/condux/08023000.html
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On a side note, when I was passing the area this morning at around
10am PDT, there were two fiber-trailers working in two separate
manholes.
This is probably the result of having to splice in a new section of
fiber, since it would probably have been difficult to splice the ends
of the
- Original Message -
From: "Ravi Pina"
To: "Charles Wyble"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
2) Why didn't an alarm go off that someone had entered the area? It was
after b
about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:da...@introspect.net]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Charles Wyble
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh
noes!
Cones, hard hat, vest, and a hook (maybe a party light and a borrowed
ladder on your truck for good measure) costs under $400.
The real cost of the fiber is not the cable, it's securing the path
using underground or aerial construction. In our shop's mostly-rural
service area, that's over 80% of t
Your right about having the right tools whats a manhole hook cost $50
-carlos
-Original Message-
From: Daryl G. Jurbala [mailto:da...@introspect.net]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Charles Wyble
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, wrote:
> Not to turn this into an ethical typ discussion but this
Maybe it's an ethical issue, with an ethical solution.
Random news article from google:
> Workers are seeking to preserve the health care benefit packages, said
> Libby Sayre, area director
Charles Wyble wrote:
So allow me to think out loud for a minute
1) Why wasn't the fiber protected by some sort of hardened/locked
conduit? Is this possible? Does it add extensive cost or hamper normal
operation?
Cost, both in implementing (what are likely to be easily-circumvented)
phys
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Daryl G. Jurbala wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole
cover. Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked?
Or were the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect. I'
On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
3) From what I understand it's not trivial to raise a manhole cover.
Most likely can't be done by one person. Can they be locked? Or were
the carriers simply relying on obscurity/barrier to entry?
Your understanding is incorrect. I'm an
Its all risk and cost. You possibly couldn't have spent enough to stop
this event. The outside plant wasn't at fault, highly motivated and
informed individuals were. Pretty much a non issue, IMHO.
Best,
Martin
On 4/9/09, Charles Wyble wrote:
> Seriously though I want to start some discussion
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:51:16 EDT, Ravi Pina said:
> Also not to get sensationalist, but less expensive than a life that
> could be lost if an emergency call can't be put through?
The alarm that goes off saying the lid got opened is only 2 minutes before the
big red alarm that says you just lost 5
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More on this:
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SAN JOSE (CBS 5 / KCBS / AP / BCN) -- Vandals severed multiple fiber optic
cables on Thursday, leaving thousands of people in Santa Clara, Santa Cruz
and San Benito counties without cell phone, Internet and landline service,
poli
11$ per unit to 'secure' access points with a lot less certain
> negative lawsuit outcomes. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the
> Rogers Wireless Network
>
> -Original Message- From: Ravi Pina
>
> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:51:16 To: JC Dill
> Cc: nanog@
Ravi Pina wrote:
Also not to get sensationalist, but less expensive than a life that
could be lost if an emergency call can't be put through?
Remember the exploding Ford Pinto?
http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/pinto.htm
BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
-Original Message-
From: Ravi Pina
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:51:16
To: JC Dill
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:22:41PM -0700, JC Dill wrote:
>
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:22:41PM -0700, JC Dill wrote:
> Ravi Pina wrote:
> >
> >That said one would *hope* vault access
> >is not trivial and there are mechanisms in place to alert of
> >unauthorized, unlawful entry.
>
> I regularly drove on these roads when these lines were being put in
> up
Ravi Pina wrote:
That said one would *hope* vault access
is not trivial and there are mechanisms in place to alert of
unauthorized, unlawful entry.
I regularly drove on these roads when these lines were being put in
up-and-down the SF Peninsula. There are 4 manhole covers every 1/4 mile
or
Charles Wyble wrote:
So allow me to think out loud for a minute
1) Why wasn't the fiber protected by some sort of hardened/locked
conduit? Is this possible? Does it add extensive cost or hamper normal
operation?
Some people do lock their vaults/pits/manholes. But, to be honest, I'm
not
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Rod Beck wrote:
> Hold on. Who says this sabotage?
the hacksaw that was taken to two manholes within two hours of each
other? I'd love to see the RFO explaining an accident like that.
Rod Beck wrote:
Hold on. Who says this sabotage?
By the time the second plane hit WTC, intent was apparent. I think in
this case intent is also apparent based on proximity (and the previously
mentioned reward AT&T has posted for the capture of "vandals").
Mike
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
> I tried to be very careful to say that it appears to have been sabatoage,
> but that it's not confirmed.
T is offering a 6-figure bounty already for anyone with info.. I'd say it's
pretty safe to assume..
-jamie
On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside
plant protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after
all.
There were multiple fiber cuts in a major metropolitan area,
resulting in the loss of critical infrast
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:04:16PM -0700, Charles Wyble wrote:
> Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant
> protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all.
>
> There were multiple fiber cuts in a major metropolitan area, resulting
> in the loss of
I didn't say it was sabatoage...
It would appear
> that this was a deliberate act
I tried to be very careful to say that it appears to have been
sabatoage, but that it's not confirmed. Also this isn't the middle of
the ocean, but cable underground. That usually doesn't get cut unless
it's
Hold on. Who says this sabotage?
These incidents happen all the time without sabotage being involved. A ship
sank off the coast of Pakistan and took out both international cables serving
the country ...
We had the undersea earthquake that seven seven cables in the Taiwan straits.
The truth i
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 18:04, Charles Wyble wrote:
> Seriously though I want to start some discussion around outside plant
> protection. This isn't the middle of the ocean or desert after all.
I'll pipe in with this:
No amount of money can deter a determined entity. If there is a will,
there is
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