Could Charlie do long haul microwave to someone who can do BGP?
On 2/14/09, Francois Menard wrote:
> The rule with ARIN is that you only need to demonstrate that you WANT
> do do multihoming, not that you WILL do multihoming.
>
> That question would be better asked on the ARIN policy mailing list
The rule with ARIN is that you only need to demonstrate that you WANT
do do multihoming, not that you WILL do multihoming.
That question would be better asked on the ARIN policy mailing list.
I'm also on that list.
That was cleared with ARIN as part of the process to get that /22
I guess
58:54 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Charles Regan wrote:
The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do
multihoming.
If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
We also have a contract with tlb.
$$$ 1.5yrs left...
There's something in there
If all else fails, you could setup a pair of static IPIP or GRE
tunnels using the static provider-assigned address on your link into
the non-bgp speaking provider. Then, terminate the 'far side' of the
tunnel on a router collocated somewhere upstream of if the brain-dead
provider. This would get yo
And/or see if bell canada can sell you something diverse.
- Original Message -
From: Seth Mattinen
To: Charles Regan
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 13 18:58:54 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Charles Regan wrote:
> The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from a
Charles Regan wrote:
> The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do multihoming.
> If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
>
> We also have a contract with tlb.
> $$$ 1.5yrs left...
>
>
There's something in there about non-multihomed sites, but I'm not
f
The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do multihoming.
If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
We also have a contract with tlb.
$$$ 1.5yrs left...
2009/2/13, Seth Mattinen :
> Charles Regan wrote:
>> Isp2 is vtl not bell
>>
>> 2009/2/13, Seth Matti
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Stewart [mailto:pstew...@nexicomgroup.net]
>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:50 PM
>To: Michael Smith; Charles Regan; nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: RE: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
>
>Telebec's only upstream is Bell Canada (AS577) hence why
That was my implication...
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Stewart [mailto:pstew...@nexicomgroup.net]
>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:50 PM
>To: Michael Smith; Charles Regan; nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: RE: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
>
>Telebec's only upstream is
Charles Regan wrote:
> Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with us.
>
> ISP1 is Telebec.
> http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=142.217.0.0&submit=Go
>
> My subnet
> http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=204.144.60.0&submit=Go
Telebec's only upstream is Bell Canada (AS577) hence why you see
that...;)
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Michael Smith [mailto:msm...@internap.com]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Charles Regan; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I see multiple pat
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>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:23 PM
>To: nanog@nanog.org
>Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
>
>Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with
us.
>
>ISP1 is Telebec.
>http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=142.2
Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with us.
ISP1 is Telebec.
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=142.217.0.0&submit=Go
My subnet
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhois&user_data=204.144.60.0&submit=Go
What can we do now ? Any suggesti
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:13:14PM -0500, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Perhaps ebgp-multihop with this ISP's upstream provider might offer you
> an advantage combined with this approach.
This is quite neat, but the ISP may be multihomed and support BGP at
one edge (several transits, several peers), but no
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Jason Biel wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage o
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It's not like the Bahamas. I wish it was. It's alot colder here.
I've talked to ISP1 yesterday and they will let me know what they can
do.
Re Charles,
this is all about control, so you don't lose connectivity in case something
outside your control fails.
The best idea so far is the ebgp-multihop idea with your ISP's transit
provider. This means speaking BGP to them yourself and taking care that
the traffic takes the intended path, t
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Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:14:52PM -0400, Charles Regan
wrote:
I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
We have a /22 from ARIN. We have a 20mbits pipe from ISP1 and 20mbits from ISP2.
Perhaps you could post the IP addresses on your en
In a message written on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:14:52PM -0400, Charles Regan
wrote:
> I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
> We have a /22 from ARIN. We have a 20mbits pipe from ISP1 and 20mbits from
> ISP2.
Perhaps you could post the IP addresses on your end of both of thes
Michael Smith wrote:
> Ebgp multi-hop is a great idea.
>
> Have others seen this done for non-bandwidth customers? ...a 'bgp-only'
> service...?...
Hmmm...given that I'm in a similar situation as the original poster, I
wonder if this would be a feasible strategy to investigate.
Since our ISP's
6 13:13:14 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Jason Biel wrote:
> Charles,
>
> As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
> unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
> two providers as the primary. Don'
Jason Biel wrote:
Charles,
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage occurances
I would guess that if one of them can't change their announcement when their
link to you is down, then make sure their announcement is the less
preferred.
The ISP that *can* remove their announcement when their link to you is down
should be the preferred path since their path is much more
likely t
It will depend on the source of the traffic and how that peer follows AS
path into your providers.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles Regan wrote:
> What if both annonce my /22 unweighted ?
>
> I know I will loose failover in this scenario.
>
> I am trying to figure out what will happen, tr
What if both annonce my /22 unweighted ?
I know I will loose failover in this scenario.
I am trying to figure out what will happen, traffic will flow inbound
from both in a round-robin like method ?
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Charles Regan wrote:
> The can't do BGP.
> They are already a
...small isp on a very remote island... Sounds like a nice problem to have... :)
- Original Message -
From: Charles Regan
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 06 12:14:52 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
We have a /22
Jason Biel wrote:
> The link that goes down will trigger that provider to remove the route,
> traffic will swing and start coming in on the backup link.
This is assuming that 'ISP1' has the capability to advertise the OP's
route in the first place.
What if ISP1 is simply a customer of another ISP
The can't do BGP.
They are already advertising two /24 for us. So they will advertise a
/22 if I ask them.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jason Biel wrote:
> Good point on ISP1 Steve, being they are limited already, they might be just
> reselling.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve
6 12:08:53 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Quick questions.
If both ISP publish my /22, what will happen if ISP1 goes down ?
Half the internet won't be able to reach me ? I'll have to call them
to remove the route manually ?
Charles.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Charles Regan
Good point on ISP1 Steve, being they are limited already, they might be just
reselling.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Jason Biel wrote:
> > The link that goes down will trigger that provider to remove the route,
> > traffic will swing and start coming in on the backu
Charles,
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage occurances.
Traffic will flow i
I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
We have a /22 from ARIN. We have a 20mbits pipe from ISP1 and 20mbits from ISP2.
They are the only two we can get bandwidth.
So we are stuck with ISP1 that doesn't support BGP.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Azinger, Marla
wrote:
> im
The link that goes down will trigger that provider to remove the route,
traffic will swing and start coming in on the backup link.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Charles Regan wrote:
> Quick questions.
> If both ISP publish my /22, what will happen if ISP1 goes down ?
> Half the internet won't
Quick questions.
If both ISP publish my /22, what will happen if ISP1 goes down ?
Half the internet won't be able to reach me ? I'll have to call them
to remove the route manually ?
Charles.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Charles Regan wrote:
> Hmmm, McNamara descendent ?
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 20
Pick your preferred link in, have them announce your /22, have the other
provider announce the /22, just weighed. That way you are multi-homed with
failover.
After that is configured, find a new ISP to replace the one that will not
let you peer with them.
Jason
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM,
Daniel Rogers wrote:
> The ISP may not support peering BGP with you, but can they publish routes
> for you? I find it hard to believe ANY ISP just "doesn't support BGP".
It is very possible that the ISP doesn't support BGP, but more likely,
I'd bet that the ISP has never configured BGP on the cli
The ISP may not support peering BGP with you, but can they publish routes
for you? I find it hard to believe ANY ISP just "doesn't support BGP".
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
> How did you get a /22, and what isp won't run bgp with you?
>
>
> - Original Message -
How did you get a /22, and what isp won't run bgp with you?
- Original Message -
From: Charles Regan
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 06 11:29:28 2009
Subject: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I want to advertise my /22 to two different ISP on different POP.
I can't use BGP as ISP1 doesn't sup
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:29:28PM -0400, Charles Regan wrote:
> I want to advertise my /22 to two different ISP on different POP.
>
> I can't use BGP as ISP1 doesn't support it.
Get a new ISP and fire whoever signed that contract before getting
the technical details correct.
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