On 13 May 2014, at 15:49, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> So is there just reluctant acceptance of this law, or is there
> push-back and plans to repeal, or...?
This was news to me when I heard about it the other day (because apparently I
am a bad kiwi and do not keep myself informed), but it does soun
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 05:52:58PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> On May 13, 2014, at 17:47 , Tony Wicks wrote:
>
> >> Cc: NANOG list
> >> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
> >>
> >> I didn't see the
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 03:35:41 PM Owen DeLong wrote:
> Last I looked, you were free to change out the kit on
> your submarine cable to anything you wanted once the
> cable was landed.
Things could have changed now, but if memory serves, you
would be asked to reconfirm your kit during interv
No, they just intercept whatever gear you do purchase before it gets to your
loading dock and then seal it back up with their modifications.
Matthew Kaufman
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> On May 13, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are dema
While I applaud NZ being open and honest about it, I do think that they have
gone quite a bit further than the NSA and that their proposal is far more
damaging.
Owen
On May 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind.
>
On May 13, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Tony Wicks wrote:
>> Cc: NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
>>
>> I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance
> approval rights on our maintenance pro
They already have all the information and did it for you.
You are just not aware of it.
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On May 13, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Zaid Ali Kahn wrote:
> Case in point on Sprint/Softbank merger
> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/28/4155714/us-wants-sprint-softbank-deal-to-avoid-chinese-network-equipment/in/3252625
Any such deal would also be subject to CFIUS and mandatory 5-year reviews as
well
On May 13, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>
> - Warning the world about Chinese surveillance could have been one of
> the motives behind the US government's claims that Chinese devices
> cannot be trusted. But an equally important motive seems to have been
> preventing Chin
On May 13, 2014, at 17:47 , Tony Wicks wrote:
>> Cc: NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
>>
>> I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance
>> approval rights on our maintenance
>Cc: NANOG list
>Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
>
>I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance
approval rights on our maintenance procedures.
>
>Owen
Try to get approval to land a submarine cable on
>To: Paul Ferguson
>Cc: NANOG
>Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff
>
>I can't speak to that Paul. I attended NZNOG as a guest, I'm from Australia.
>Others will have to say how the NZ industry is approaching this, I'd get it
Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind.
Again, not saying either is good, just saying at least NZ is being "above
board".
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TTFN,
patrick
On May 13, 2014, at 14:01 , Owen DeLong wrote:
> I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance
> a
On 13/05/14 19:01, Owen DeLong wrote:
I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding
advance approval rights on our maintenance procedures.
Because they didn't (don't) need to...?
Tom
I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance
approval rights on our maintenance procedures.
Owen
On May 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the
> open, unlike the NSA (where you li
I live in the USA and have not been forced to register with the
government as a network operator or have them vet my staff.
On 5/13/2014 11:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the
open, unlike the NSA (where you live).
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=
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the
open, unlike the NSA (where you live).
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TTFN,
patrick
On May 13, 2014, at 12:12 , Owen DeLong wrote:
> Yep… If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause me to
> remove it.
>
> Owen
>
> On May 13, 2
Yep… If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause me to remove
it.
Owen
On May 13, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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> I realize that New Zealand is *not* in North America (hence NANOG),
> but I figure that some global
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 03:49:09 PM Paul Ferguson wrote:
> I am purposefully making a distinction here between the
> U.S. CALEA [1] and NSLs [2] and a NZ spy agency getting
> "...to decide on network equipment procurement and
> design decisions".
>
> The latter seems like a bit of an overreach?
I can't speak to that Paul. I attended NZNOG as a guest, I'm from
Australia. Others will have to say how the NZ industry is approaching this,
I'd get it wrong if I tried!
-G
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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So is there just reluctant acceptance of this law, or is there
push-back and plans to repeal, or...?
I guess my question is something along the lines of "Are people just
reluctantly accepting that government surveillance & micromanagement
of private
It got a pretty firefight discussion at the NZNOG. None of the ISPs feel
comfortable with it, but in avoiding a shoot-the-messenger syndrome they
tried to give good feedback to the reps from GCSB who came to talk.
Basically, a lot of post-act variations are expected to clarify what
changes do and d
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