Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 13 May 2014, at 15:49, Paul Ferguson wrote: > So is there just reluctant acceptance of this law, or is there > push-back and plans to repeal, or...? This was news to me when I heard about it the other day (because apparently I am a bad kiwi and do not keep myself informed), but it does soun

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Mike A
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 05:52:58PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On May 13, 2014, at 17:47 , Tony Wicks wrote: > > >> Cc: NANOG list > >> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff > >> > >> I didn't see the

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 03:35:41 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > Last I looked, you were free to change out the kit on > your submarine cable to anything you wanted once the > cable was landed. Things could have changed now, but if memory serves, you would be asked to reconfirm your kit during interv

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Matthew Kaufman
No, they just intercept whatever gear you do purchase before it gets to your loading dock and then seal it back up with their modifications. Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) > On May 13, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are dema

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
While I applaud NZ being open and honest about it, I do think that they have gone quite a bit further than the NSA and that their proposal is far more damaging. Owen On May 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind. >

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 13, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Tony Wicks wrote: >> Cc: NANOG list >> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff >> >> I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance > approval rights on our maintenance pro

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-14 Thread Alain Hebert
They already have all the information and did it for you. You are just not aware of it. - Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. 50 boul. St-Charles P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 13, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Zaid Ali Kahn wrote: > Case in point on Sprint/Softbank merger > http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/28/4155714/us-wants-sprint-softbank-deal-to-avoid-chinese-network-equipment/in/3252625 Any such deal would also be subject to CFIUS and mandatory 5-year reviews as well

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Zaid Ali Kahn
On May 13, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > - Warning the world about Chinese surveillance could have been one of > the motives behind the US government's claims that Chinese devices > cannot be trusted. But an equally important motive seems to have been > preventing Chin

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On May 13, 2014, at 17:47 , Tony Wicks wrote: >> Cc: NANOG list >> Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff >> >> I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance >> approval rights on our maintenance

RE: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Tony Wicks
>Cc: NANOG list >Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff > >I didn't see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance approval rights on our maintenance procedures. > >Owen Try to get approval to land a submarine cable on

RE: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Tony Wicks
>To: Paul Ferguson >Cc: NANOG >Subject: Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff > >I can't speak to that Paul. I attended NZNOG as a guest, I'm from Australia. >Others will have to say how the NZ industry is approaching this, I'd get it

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind. Again, not saying either is good, just saying at least NZ is being "above board". -- TTFN, patrick On May 13, 2014, at 14:01 , Owen DeLong wrote: > I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance > a

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Tom Hill
On 13/05/14 19:01, Owen DeLong wrote: I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance approval rights on our maintenance procedures. Because they didn't (don't) need to...? Tom

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Owen DeLong
I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance approval rights on our maintenance procedures. Owen On May 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the > open, unlike the NSA (where you li

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Aaron
I live in the USA and have not been forced to register with the government as a network operator or have them vet my staff. On 5/13/2014 11:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the open, unlike the NSA (where you live). -- =

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the open, unlike the NSA (where you live). -- TTFN, patrick On May 13, 2014, at 12:12 , Owen DeLong wrote: > Yep… If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause me to > remove it. > > Owen > > On May 13, 2

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Owen DeLong
Yep… If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause me to remove it. Owen On May 13, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I realize that New Zealand is *not* in North America (hence NANOG), > but I figure that some global

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 03:49:09 PM Paul Ferguson wrote: > I am purposefully making a distinction here between the > U.S. CALEA [1] and NSLs [2] and a NZ spy agency getting > "...to decide on network equipment procurement and > design decisions". > > The latter seems like a bit of an overreach?

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread George Michaelson
I can't speak to that Paul. I attended NZNOG as a guest, I'm from Australia. Others will have to say how the NZ industry is approaching this, I'd get it wrong if I tried! -G On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > So is there

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 So is there just reluctant acceptance of this law, or is there push-back and plans to repeal, or...? I guess my question is something along the lines of "Are people just reluctantly accepting that government surveillance & micromanagement of private

Re: New Zealand Spy Agency To Vet Network Builds, Provider Staff

2014-05-13 Thread George Michaelson
It got a pretty firefight discussion at the NZNOG. None of the ISPs feel comfortable with it, but in avoiding a shoot-the-messenger syndrome they tried to give good feedback to the reps from GCSB who came to talk. Basically, a lot of post-act variations are expected to clarify what changes do and d