While I applaud NZ being open and honest about it, I do think that they have gone quite a bit further than the NSA and that their proposal is far more damaging.
Owen On May 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patr...@ianai.net> wrote: > Exactly. They just broke in and left a trail of open doors behind. > > Again, not saying either is good, just saying at least NZ is being "above > board". > > -- > TTFN, > patrick > > On May 13, 2014, at 14:01 , Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > >> I didn’t see the NSA telling us what we had to buy are demanding advance >> approval rights on our maintenance procedures. >> >> Owen >> >> On May 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patr...@ianai.net> wrote: >> >>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of this. But at least they did it in the >>> open, unlike the NSA (where you live). >>> >>> -- >>> TTFN, >>> patrick >>> >>> On May 13, 2014, at 12:12 , Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yep… If I had infrastructure in NZ, that would be enough to cause me to >>>> remove it. >>>> >>>> Owen >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgs...@mykolab.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA256 >>>>> >>>>> I realize that New Zealand is *not* in North America (hence NANOG), >>>>> but I figure that some global providers might be interested here. >>>>> >>>>> This sounds rather... dire (probably not the right word). >>>>> >>>>> "The new Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Act >>>>> of 2013 is in effect in New Zealand and brings in several drastic >>>>> changes for ISPs, telcos and service providers. One of the country's >>>>> spy agencies, the GCSB, gets to decide on network equipment >>>>> procurement and design decisions (PDF), plus operators have to >>>>> register with the police and obtain security clearance for some staff. >>>>> Somewhat illogically, the NZ government pushed through the law >>>>> combining mandated communications interception capabilities for law >>>>> enforcement, with undefined network security requirements as decided >>>>> by the GCSB. All network operators are subject to the new law, >>>>> including local providers as well as the likes of Facebook, Google, >>>>> Microsoft, who have opposed it, saying the new statutes clash with >>>>> overseas privacy legislation." >>>>> >>>>> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/05/13/005259/new-zealand-spy-agency-to-vet-network-builds-provider-staff >>>>> >>>>> FYI, >>>>> >>>>> - - ferg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - -- >>>>> Paul Ferguson >>>>> VP Threat Intelligence, IID >>>>> PGP Public Key ID: 0x54DC85B2 >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) >>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>>>> >>>>> iF4EAREIAAYFAlNyHw4ACgkQKJasdVTchbLwDgD/WVHo2iTapJ90l8MRcwUZ5OQ7 >>>>> QfJ5cI1v4t2bUXZp1hQBAKHCP0hyxg6naGOzRLt/vHjgxXnl3+yiWoj0ENxQyIr9 >>>>> =0yLu >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
