RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-04 Thread Frank Bulk
, resources, and internal inertia more of than not develop and grow networks that aren't BCP-friendly. Frank -Original Message- From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:40 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle Ver

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. I would assume they figured it was better than just remaining silent. Regards Marshall Jeff On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Marshall Eubanks

RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Michael J McCafferty
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 13:21 -0700, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > > > > >Earth is a single point of failure, where is your backup site? > > [TLB:] Given that all my customers are on Earth, I don't need one if my > customers also are "down". Bad Day !

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
That's a great idea, use some lame Web 2.0 trend to communicate with actual real life customers. Jeff On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Ben Carleton wrote: > >> Yes it was. >> >> On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: >> >>> Wasn't

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Ben Carleton wrote: Yes it was. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Wasn't Authorize.net affected by this? We received a support ticket about why Authorize.net is down today (I don't know either, I don't ask too many questions). Authorize.net was fo

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Darren Bolding
Power to some of the affected sections of the building has been restored via existing onsite generators. The central power risers cannot be connected to current generators in a timely manner due to excessive damage to the electrical switching equipment (and those generators may still be in standin

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 03:22:14PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > Are you better off with a single "tier 4" data center, multiple > "tier 1" data centers, or something in between? It depends entirely on your dependency on connectivity. One extreme is something like a Central O

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Ben Carleton
Yes it was. On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote: Wasn't Authorize.net affected by this? We received a support ticket about why Authorize.net is down today (I don't know either, I don't ask too many questions). Jeff On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: Earth

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Wasn't Authorize.net affected by this? We received a support ticket about why Authorize.net is down today (I don't know either, I don't ask too many questions). Jeff On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > > >> >>Earth is a single point of failure, where is your backup site? > >

RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
> >Earth is a single point of failure, where is your backup site? [TLB:] Given that all my customers are on Earth, I don't need one if my customers also are "down".

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Stephen Stuart
> Earth is a single point of failure, where is your backup site? This reminds me of the 1996 thread about how MAE-East still had no generator. Same topic, roughly, some of the same people (hi, Sean). Sure, the line about the Earth SPOF is catchy, but in terms of more likely scenarios: how many pe

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, William Herrin wrote: There is a useful standard: ANSI/TIA-942. It offers specifications for four tiers of data centers ranging from tier 1 (a basic data center with no redundancy) to tier 4 (fully fault tolerant). Are you better off with a single "tier 4" data center, multi

RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
-Original Message- From: Tomas L. Byrnes [mailto:t...@byrneit.net] Sent: Fri 7/3/2009 10:20 AM To: David Hubbard; NANOG list Subject: RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle This begs the question of what basic parameters should be for a "carrier hotel" or co-lo.

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > This begs the question of what basic parameters should be for a > "carrier hotel" or co-lo. [...] The old NEBS standards were too much > of a straightjacket. Tomas, There is a useful standard: ANSI/TIA-942. It offers specifications for four

RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Erik Soosalu
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009415571_apwafisherpla zafire1stldwritethru.html -Original Message- From: David Hubbard [mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:05 PM To: NANOG list Subject: RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: > This begs the question of what basic parameters should be for a "carrier > hotel" or co-lo. > > Given that we're getting designated "Critical Infrastructure", we'd > getter start coming up with some, or we'll have them defined for us. > > The old NEBS standards were too m

RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
is life in the current Internet: Overpromise, and Underdeliver. >-Original Message- >From: David Hubbard [mailto:dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com] >Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:05 AM >To: NANOG list >Subject: RE: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle > >From: Seth Matt

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
Darren Bolding wrote: > > Interestingly, this building is also the production studios for several > Seattle TV and radio stations. > > There is no ETA for resolution. > Apparently it took authorize.net with it, too: http://twitter.com/authorizenet ~Seth

Re: Fire, Power loss at Fisher Plaza in Seattle

2009-07-03 Thread Joe Richards
Multiple folks on Twitter who are in the area are reporting a 5-6 hour ETA. -Joe -- Joe Richards -- ipv4: http://www.disconformity.net [ 72.29.169.48/28 ] ipv6: http://ipv6.disconformity.net [ 2001:48c0:1001:1::/64 ] blog: http://www.mainlined.org