Once upon a time, William Herrin said:
> Ordinary ionization-based smoke detectors use a 10-year lithium
> battery, which is about the same lifespan as the americium-based
> detector circuit as it begins to decay into neptunium.
Also, some detectors are wired to household 120VAC service, so the
b
Message -
>>> From: "William Herrin"
>>> To: "jra"
>>> Cc: b...@theworld.com, nanog@nanog.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:52:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and
>>
Herrin"
> > To: "jra"
> > Cc: b...@theworld.com, nanog@nanog.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 11:52:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and
> > Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Stu
(Topic at hand was just building an emergency alert system into smoke
detectors rather than try to come up with some complex
internet-oriented design.)
On January 14, 2021 at 03:56 j...@baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote:
> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still ru
ry 13, 2021 11:52:47 PM
> Subject: Re: End-user Alert Delivery (was Re: NDAA passed: Internet and
> Online Streaming Services Emergency Alert Study)
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:58 PM Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still runni
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:58 PM Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> Last time I looked, consumer residential smoke detectors were still running
> off 9V alkaline batteries, which are expected to run the device for 6 months
> of 1/99 duty cycle (or less, probably *way* less).
Ordinary ionization-based smoke
- Original Message -
> From: b...@theworld.com
> On January 4, 2021 at 21:19 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (Valdis Klētnieks) wrote:
> > First, that means your smoke alarm batteries run down faster, which is
> > a major issue.
>
> That's the sort of argument I label "all sign, no magnitude".
>
- Original Message -
> From: "Chris Adams"
> Aren't the cell-based emergency alerts on all cell phones, not just
> smartphones?
CMAS/WEA uses SMS Cell Broadcast. I assume the SMS firmware on the phone
has to know what to do about those, and I don't know how far that knowledge
goes back
On Thu, Jan 07, 2021 at 01:27:07AM +1300, Mark Foster wrote:
> I respect this in principle, but hyperbole serves no-one - a smartphone
> only creates a "morass of privacy/security issues" if you let it.
You can't be serious. Have you paid *any* attention to what's been
going on in this ecosystem
Brandon Martin wrote:
but harder to understand for people who lack precise knowledge on
what computers and OSes are.
Hi, embedded developer here who spends a considerable amount of time
writing firmware for "bare metal" systems with "no OS".
I did it with a Z80 computer soldered by myself.
On 1/5/21 7:29 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
I don't know if an unsubscribed cell phone gets the emergency alerts (I
know you are supposed to be able to call 911 from any cell phone, even
if not carrying paid service). If so, that'd be another cheap way to
get alerts.
They pretty much universally sho
Once upon a time, Mark Foster said:
> So one has to ask at some level, whether the addition of emergency alerts and
> the ability to maybe do some simple tasks on the fly when needed (which need
> not include social media, or the use of location tracking services, or even
> mobile data most of
I respect this in principle, but hyperbole serves no-one - a smartphone only
creates a "morass of privacy/security issues" if you let it. A basic smartphone
can be had for less than $100 USD, which would give you calling, text messaging
and emergency alerts. You don't need to spend many hundreds
On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 09:08:06PM -0600, Billy Crook wrote:
> Then again how many people would benefit from adding this to online
> streaming, but don't already have cellphones that have emergency alert
> popups that get their attention. The kind of people who don't have
> smartphones are going t
>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
>>> achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be
>>> less than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing the limit. If they get
>>> back
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Matthew Petach said:
> [...]
>
> I don't know if an unsubscribed cell phone gets the emergency alerts (I
> know you are supposed to be able to call 911 from any cell phone, even
> if not carrying paid service). If so, that'd
Once upon a time, Matthew Petach said:
> If we're going to postulate every citizen of the country having a cell
> phone,
> then we should first postulate the system whereby the government provides
> them free to every citizen, with a minimum level of access provided free to
> all users.
You are g
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:11 PM Billy Crook wrote:
> Then again how many people would benefit from adding this to online
> streaming, but don't already have cellphones that have emergency alert
> popups that get their attention. The kind of people who don't have
> smartphones are going to be the
On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:48:47 -0500, b...@theworld.com said:
> How much faster? If it took one minute of battery life off a 10 year
> battery would that be a problem? 30 minutes?
I suspect the proper time units are closer to months rather than minutes.
> How much power would a bit of circuitry wa
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM wrote:
> Could we make the battery just a little more powerful? How much power
> would a bit of circuitry waiting for a "turn on! there's a new message
> coming in!" need? []
If your network connectivity, or web browser, or cellular reception
stops working;
On January 4, 2021 at 21:19 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu (Valdis Klētnieks) wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 15:33:10 -0500, b...@theworld.com said:
> > Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> > simple radio receiver?
>
> First, that means your smoke alarm batteries ru
On 1/4/21 9:07 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> but harder to understand for people who lack precise
> knowledge on what computers and OSes are.
Hi, embedded developer here who spends a considerable amount of time writing
firmware for "bare metal" systems with "no OS".
I have fairly high confidence th
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:11 PM Billy Crook wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Just give users the ability to select what categories/severities they
>> want to see, so I don't get disrupted every time there's a scary rain storm
>>
> If YouTube can mash back-to-back unskippable ads on demand into content,
> they can put an emergency alert in there, and I bet people would like them
> more than the ads.
+1 to that. If a real-time ad exchange can run a market auction to serve you
highly targeted ads in fractions of a second
tions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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- Original Message -
From: "Richard Porter"
To: "NANOG list"
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:40:28 PM
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency
Alert Study
On Mon, Jan
Exchange
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- Original Message -
From: "Chris Adams"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency
Alert Study
Once upon a time, Billy Crook said:
> On a t
- Original Message -
> From: "Richard Porter"
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM Chris Adams wrote:
>> I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
>> sensitive. It's been mentioned several times in this thread that the
>> earthquake alerts are on the order of
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 10:25 PM Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Billy Crook said:
> > On a technical note (having read the comment about overloading the
> system)
> > could a system like DNS help handle this?
>
> I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
> se
Once upon a time, Billy Crook said:
> On a technical note (having read the comment about overloading the system)
> could a system like DNS help handle this?
I wouldn't think so, because some of the important alerts are very time
sensitive. It's been mentioned several times in this thread that th
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:13 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if the
> end users is using an app on a phone?
Mitch please If YouTube can mash back-to-back unskippable ads on
demand into content, the
On Tue, 2021-01-05 at 11:07 +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> > No one cares about old hardware when solving a modern problem.
> Modern examples do exist, for example:
>
> https://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare
But get in quick - the site will be removed on 1
On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 15:33:10 -0500, b...@theworld.com said:
> Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> simple radio receiver?
First, that means your smoke alarm batteries run down faster, which is
a major issue.
I didn't bother thinking past that show-stopper, others
Mike Hammett wrote:
No one cares about old hardware when solving a modern problem.
Modern examples do exist, for example:
https://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/StarterWare
StarterWare is a free software development package that
provides no-OS platform support for AR
Comment inline
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:32 PM J. Hellenthal via NANOG
wrote:
> Comment inline
>
> --
> J. Hellenthal
>
> The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> > On Jan 4, 2021, at 14:35, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Comment inline
--
J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a
lot about anticipated traffic volume.
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 14:35, b...@theworld.com wrote:
>
>
> Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
> simple radio
Why wouldn't we just build this into 10-year battery smoke alarms, a
simple radio receiver?
Why does anyone think this must be a feature of the internet when, as
people here have described, that entails all sorts of complexities.
You just want something that goes BEEP-BEEP-BEEP KISS YOUR ASS
GO
>
> Most civilized societies immensely value a great many things, and for
> exactly zero of them is it acceptable for the government to kick down my
> door, wake me up, and scrawl a message on my wall to make sure I hear
> about it. Just because digital tools can save the government millions
> of
ate conversation.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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- Original Message -
From: "Masataka Ohta"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 9:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: In
Mike Hammett wrote:
Every device that would be capable of doing anything also has an OS.
Old computers had hardware (manually manipulated switches and
light bulbs to read/write specific memory locations) to install boot
strap loader to download OS without any OS.
The only involvement ISPs sh
On 1/3/21 2:01 PM, Andy Brezinsky wrote:
At this point I would assume that nearly every device is persisting at
least one long lived TCP connection. Whether it's for telemetry or
command and control, everything these days seems to have this
capability. As an example, I can hit a button in t
Brandon Martin wrote:
On 1/4/21 10:01 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.
I'm not sure typical North American residential construction could
tolerate the sonic pressure generated by such a "go
*From: *"Masataka Ohta"
*To: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Monday, January 4, 2021 9:01:57 AM
*Subject: *Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services
Emergency Alert Study
Mike Hammett wrote:
> What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
ay, January 4, 2021 9:01:57 AM
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency
Alert Study
Mike Hammett wrote:
> What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
> each individual app.
It all depends on not OSes but devices.
Any device
: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency
Alert Study
On 1/4/21 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not each
individual app.
The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects this
inform
On 1/4/21 10:01 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.
I'm not sure typical North American residential construction could
tolerate the sonic pressure generated by such a "goal"...
Streaming devi
Michael Thomas wrote:
That probably makes sense generally, but for things like earthquakes
which have tight requirements (= < 10 seconds), you probably need
specialized apps.
From regulatory point of view, it merely means that devices
sold in some regulatory region (such as US regulated by FC
Mike Hammett wrote:
What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
each individual app.
It all depends on not OSes but devices.
Any device with speaker should produce audible alert and any
device with display should produce visible alert.
As devices are identified at th
On 1/4/21 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
each individual app.
The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects
this information from all jurisdictions.
Doing it at the app layer seems foolish.
That pro
Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: "Sean Donelan"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 4:12:40 PM
Subject: Re: NDAA passed: Internet and Online Streaming Services Emergency
Ale
Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
That's why I think doing it at the streaming service level is one level too
high.
As IP layer is the highest location dependent layer, any layer above
it needs special mechanism to explicitly treat location information,
which does not scale especially at international
Most civilized societies immensely value a great many things, and for
exactly zero of them is it acceptable for the government to kick down my
door, wake me up, and scrawl a message on my wall to make sure I hear
about it. Just because digital tools can save the government millions
of man-hour
I am impressed that this thread made it to the drain in less than a day, so
here are my few cents on the topic.
First, the NDAA does not prescribe port numbers, or any other technology,
as no policy document EVER should. It's plain and simple. Mark Foster
covered it well, but here is a slightly di
On 1/2/21 22:40, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Aliens always invade New York, so I'm safe up here :)
I thought that was Roswell :-).
Mark.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:03 PM Keith Medcalf wrote:
> >I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
> >who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
> >receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
> >live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-z
- Original Message -
> From: "Keith Medcalf"
>>I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
>>who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
>>receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
>>live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:00:22 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said:
> This is the same thing I tell shithead politicians and pollsters that cause
> my phone to ring. If you wish to speak with me then you can pay to install
> your own communications equipment at your own expense.
Um... Keith? Pretty much a
On 1/3/21 5:00 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero portion
of the pop
>I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
>who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
>receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
>live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero portion
>of the population.
I pay for my Internet connect
On 1/3/21 2:27 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be less
than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing th
On 1/3/21 2:23 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
As for D'oH, sure; let's centralize the attack surface.
The only reason I
On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
> I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
> achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be
> less than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing the limit. If they get back
> to me, I'll s
- Original Message -
> From: "Michael Thomas"
>> Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
>> connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
>>
>> As for D'oH, sure; let's centralize the attack surface.
> The only reason I bring up DoH is because now ther
At this point I would assume that nearly every device is persisting at
least one long lived TCP connection. Whether it's for telemetry or
command and control, everything these days seems to have this
capability. As an example, I can hit a button in the Nintendo Switch
parent app on my phone a
On 1/3/21 1:50 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
I was thinking more in the original context of this thread w.r.t.
potential distribution of emergency alerts. That could, if
semi-centralized, easily result in 100s of million connections to juggle
across a sing
On 1/3/21 1:22 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Even with a participating application, quiescing in-memory state to something
less than,
say, 1KB is probably hard but might be doable with a participating TLS library.
If so, a
million quiescent connections could conceivably be stashed in a coupla GB of
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
> I was thinking more in the original context of this thread w.r.t.
> potential distribution of emergency alerts. That could, if
> semi-centralized, easily result in 100s of million connections to juggle
> across a single service just for the USA. Wh
- Original Message -
> From: "Brandon Martin"
> The nice thing is that such emergency alerts don't require
> confidentiality and can relatively easily bear in-band,
> application-level authentication (in fact, that seems preferable to only
> using session-level authentication). That mean
On 1/3/21 4:22 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Creating quiescent sockets has certainly been discussed in the context of RSS
where you
might want to server-notify a large number of long-held client connections very
infrequently.
While a kernel could quiesce a TCP socket down to maybe 100 bytes or so
(e
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
> On 1/3/21 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
> > connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
>
> Out of curiosity, has anyone investigated if it's possible to hold open
> a
On 1/3/21 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
Out of curiosity, has anyone investigated if it's possible to hold open
a low-traffic, long-lived TCP session without actually sto
On 1/3/21 12:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
To: nanog@nanog.org
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Yup; it's messy, and in many many different ways. Won't be a snapshot
rollout. Not a bad idea, though, if implemented correctly; tim
- Original Message -
> From: "Michael Thomas"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>> Yup; it's messy, and in many many different ways. Won't be a snapshot
>> rollout. Not a bad idea, though, if implemented correctly; time to dig
>> out my notes, I guess.
>
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:02 PM Rich Kulawiec wrote:
[snip]
> streaming company need to be able to authenticate the alerts from
> all those different agencies. Those agencies also need to secure [...]
The agencies would already submit their alerts through IPAWS gateways
managed by FEMA;
otherwi
Once upon a time, Rich Kulawiec said:
> And then there's another problem, which is that once all those different
> agencies have this facility, they're going to (ab)use it as they see fit.
A year or two ago, Alabama issued a state-wide "blue alert" when a
police officer was shot. So my weather/a
On 1/3/21 10:01 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 03:26:07AM -0500, Valdis Kl??tnieks wrote:
Meanwhile, this causes yet another problem - if Hulu has to be able to
know what alerts should be piped down to my device, this now means that
every single police and public safety agenc
On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 03:26:07AM -0500, Valdis Kl??tnieks wrote:
> Meanwhile, this causes yet another problem - if Hulu has to be able to
> know what alerts should be piped down to my device, this now means that
> every single police and public safety agency has to be able to send the
> alerts to
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
including foreign locations, generations of emergency alert
packets *MUST* be responsibility of *LOCAL* ISPs.
A problem is that home routers may filter the broadcast
packets from ISPs, but the routers may be upgraded or
some device to snoop the aler
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 09:26:07 +, Mark Foster said:'
> Yeah my family got a PS4 for Christmas. But we've had an Xbox One for
> the last few years. There are quite a few streaming apps, true. But a
> lot fewer of those than worldwide telcos, or jurisdictions, or emergency
> services.
You missed
On 1/2/21 10:15 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Let's just go back to air-raid sirens.
I'm old enough to remember when they were tested every day at noon,
which also told you it was noon (lunch!)
We'd say heaven help us if The Enemy attacked at noon.
They still do in San Francisco garbled messa
On 1/3/21 12:26 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a channel
within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
customer' (emergency popup notification that appears
On 2021-01-03 08:26, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a
channel
within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
customer' (emergency popup notification that appears
Mark Foster wrote:
On 3/01/2021 2:41 am, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Sean Donelan wrote:
the Commission shall complete an
inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
through the internet, including through streaming serv
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
> In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a channel
> within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
> customer' (emergency popup notification that appears when their app is
> open or their websit
I've already had to spike one widely announced WAN UDP protocol that
someone had proposed without thinking through security and DDOS features.
Please don't let's try that trick again.
We have perfectly good approaches that don't involve insecure
untraceable transport layers. This isn't 1985. TCP
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:01 AM Mark Foster wrote:
> And I don't see that opening up a UDP port on every end-user device to
> receive some sort of broadcast (unicast?) is going to be great security. ...
Yeah: This is probably best done by either requiring the streaming services to
know where
- Original Message -
> From: "Masataka Ohta"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>> the Commission shall complete an
>> inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
>> Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
>> through the internet, includ
- Original Message -
> From: "Valdis Klētnieks"
> To: "Matt Hoppes"
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2021 17:12:40 -0500, Matt Hoppes said:
>> How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic?
>
> That's not going to play nicely at all in a world of https://
>
>> What
Let's just go back to air-raid sirens.
I'm old enough to remember when they were tested every day at noon,
which also told you it was noon (lunch!)
We'd say heaven help us if The Enemy attacked at noon.
--
-Barry Shein
Software Tool & Die| b...@theworld.com | http://w
On 3/01/2021 2:41 am, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Sean Donelan wrote:
the Commission shall complete an
inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
through the internet, including through streaming services.
It is trivi
On 02 Jan 2021, at 22.38, Matthew Petach wrote:
> It doesn't look like there's currently any internet-capable way of
> consuming the IPAWS feed, at least that a quick search engine
> dive turns up. Wondering if any of the folks here know of providers
> that have signed up with FEMA to redistri
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 5:45 PM Max Harmony via NANOG
wrote:
>
> On 02 Jan 2021, at 19.18, Matthew Petach wrote:
> > I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
> > who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
> > receive content over their internet connection. I
On 02 Jan 2021, at 19.18, Matthew Petach wrote:
> I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
> who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
> receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
> live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:51 AM Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi,
> [...]
> Just to be clear: this is talking about IP traffic, not things like
> SMS-CB, right? When there are already cell broadcast alerts, I have the
> feeling that adding alerts to IP traffic (however that would be
> supposed to work)
On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 05:07:22PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote:
> Not later than 180 days after the date of
> enactment of this Act, and after providing public notice and
> opportunity for comment, the Commission shall complete an
> inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
> Alert
On 1/2/21 12:40 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
- On Jan 1, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Matt Hoppes mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
wrote:
Hi,
How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if the end
users is using an app on a phone?
Most, if not all, mobile devices connected to c
- On Jan 1, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Matt Hoppes mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
wrote:
Hi,
> How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if the end
> users is using an app on a phone?
Most, if not all, mobile devices connected to cellular already have that
option. On
my i
On 1/2/21 8:41 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
As streaming services are often offered from distant places
including foreign locations, generations of emergency alert
packets *MUST* be responsibility of *LOCAL* ISPs.
I mean, if you know where you are, it's trivial to ask various services
that already
Hi,
On Fri, 2021-01-01 at 17:07 -0500, Sean Donelan wrote:
> The House on Monday and the Senate on Friday have overriden the
> President's veto of the National Defense Authorization Act for
> Fiscal Year 2021 passing it into law.
>
> Among the NDAA's various sections, it includes the Reliable
>
Sean Donelan wrote:
the Commission shall complete an
inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
through the internet, including through streaming services.
It is trivially easy to have a dedicated UDP port to rece
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, at 23:12, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if
> the end users is using an app on a phone?
Like any other "commission-based study".
Remember, the action is :
"after providing public notice and opportunity for comment,
the
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