Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
> To: Jeroen van Aart , NANOG list
> Subject: RE: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:25:40 +
>
> > Say a
> > coder gets confused when /tmp fills up and being unaware of this thing
> > called a &q
> Say a
> coder gets confused when /tmp fills up and being unaware of this thing
> called a "search engine" and instead will virtually cry "help my puter
> b0rked, I stuck!" and vice versa.
Hah! In my experience, this phenomenon is not unique to coders, sysadmins, or
any other specialization. P
randal k wrote:
This is a huge point. We've had a LOT of trouble finding good network
engineers who have all of the previously mentioned "soft" attributes -
anything, can't setup a syslog server, doesn't understand AD much less
LDAP, etc. Imagine, an employee who can help themselves 90% of the
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 11:40:54 EST, Jay Ashworth said:
> "Private IRC server".
Amen to that.
I've decided that our private Jabber server has resulted in an order of
magnitude improvement in dealing with "quick question for ya" requests, as you
can cut/paste to/from as needed (it's still kinda hard
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> --- bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
> From: Leo Bicknell
>
> If you have telecommuters _everyone_ in the office should be forced
> to work from home at least 2 weeks a year, including the manager.
> It's only from that experience you learn to deal wit
- Original Message -
> From: "Scott Weeks"
> That is unless the gov't forces companies to treat the home as a workplace
> when telecommuting. I still have the sneaking suspicion that many managers
> don't feel they have enough control when one telecommutes as well as
> the other things di
--- bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: ---
"Scott Weeks" wrote:
> bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>>
>> actually, i've heard the real reason is corporate liability ...
>> that said, there is an advantage for team f2f mtgs on a periodic
>> basis.
>
> I don't follow. Could y
- Original Message -
> From: "Thorsten Dahm"
> The downside of this is that you are not around in the office in case
> someone wants to talk to you. I often end up with guys from our
> operations team or other teams stopping at my desk and ask questions.
> Or guys who want to have a quick
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 05:55:23PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> "Scott Weeks" wrote:
> >
> > Apologies for the rapid-shot email. It's Friday... :-)
> >
> > bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:35:27PM -0500, David Radcliffe wrote:
> >> > The reason it is
"Scott Weeks" wrote:
>
> Apologies for the rapid-shot email. It's Friday... :-)
>
> bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:35:27PM -0500, David Radcliffe wrote:
>> > The reason it is not more accepted is too many people still think "If I
>> > cannot see you you m
> Am 12/2/11 1:16 PM, schrieb Joe Greco:
> >> Thorsten Dahm:
> >> The downside of this is that you are not around in the office in case
> >> someone wants to talk to you. I often end up with guys from our
> >> operations team or other teams stopping at my desk and ask questions. Or
> >> guys who wa
Apologies for the rapid-shot email. It's Friday... :-)
--- bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:35:27PM -0500, David Radcliffe wrote:
> The reason it is not more accepted is too many people still think "If I
> cannot
> see you
. I know I'm not the only one out there who thinks this way.
scott
--- bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
From: Leo Bicknell
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:37:08 -0800
In a message written on Fri, Dec 02, 2011
--- da...@davidradcliffe.org wrote:
From: David Radcliffe
Actually, the best reason I have for working from home is I work much better
when naked and they have asked me to stop showing up that way at the office.
Woah, woah, woah! The absolute
Am 12/2/11 1:16 PM, schrieb Joe Greco:
Thorsten Dahm:
The downside of this is that you are not around in the office in case
someone wants to talk to you. I often end up with guys from our
operations team or other teams stopping at my desk and ask questions. Or
guys who want to have a quick chat a
In a message written on Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:25:41PM +, Thorsten Dahm
wrote:
> The downside of this is that you are not around in the office in case
> someone wants to talk to you. I often end up with guys from our
> operations team or other teams stopping at my desk and ask questions. Or
On Friday, December 02, 2011 07:25:41 AM Thorsten Dahm wrote:
> Am 12/1/11 9:35 PM, schrieb David Radcliffe:
> > Since I like to work and code (I spend 10 hours a day on the computer at
> > the office, think about work related stuff in the shower, and often
> > write Perl code at home to deal with
> Am 12/1/11 9:35 PM, schrieb David Radcliffe:
> > Since I like to work and code (I spend 10 hours a day on the computer at the
> > office, think about work related stuff in the shower, and often write Perl
> > code
> > at home to deal with various household tasks) I work quite well at home.
> > T
> -Original Message-
> From: Thorsten Dahm [mailto:t.d...@resolution.de]
> Sent: 02 December 2011 12:28
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
>
> Am 12/1/11 9:35 PM, schrieb David Radcliffe:
> > Since I like t
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:25:41PM +, Thorsten Dahm wrote:
> Yes, I know, they can call you, or send an Email, but nothing beats the
> good old "Let's go for a coffee, I'd like to ask you a question".
Some people just put up a dedicated netbook with a permanent
video/audio link (can be a pr
Am 12/1/11 9:35 PM, schrieb David Radcliffe:
Since I like to work and code (I spend 10 hours a day on the computer at the
office, think about work related stuff in the shower, and often write Perl code
at home to deal with various household tasks) I work quite well at home.
There are more distrac
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:47:22AM -0800, Scott Weeks wrote:
> In our industry, especially with all the tools we have today, it would seem
> that telecommuting would be more accepted, but it's not and I don't
> understand
> why.
People are social primates, alphas like access to nonverbal cues
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:35:27PM -0500, David Radcliffe wrote:
> The reason it is not more accepted is too many people still think "If I
> cannot
> see you you must not be working."
>
actually, i've heard the real reason is corporate liability ...
that said, there is an advant
The reason it is not more accepted is too many people still think "If I cannot
see you you must not be working."
Since I like to work and code (I spend 10 hours a day on the computer at the
office, think about work related stuff in the shower, and often write Perl code
at home to deal with vari
On 12/1/2011 10:21 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: -
> I am looking for just such a person now. Good Juniper, some Cisco and
> Sysadmin experience with an ISP background..
[...]
> So if anybody is looking for something to do around London...
ng
> > ago made redundant!
> >
> > So if anybody is looking for something to do around London...
> >
> > --
> > Leigh
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: randal k [mailto:na...@data102.com]
> >> Sent: 01 December 2011 15:19
: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
It takes me years to find such people and when I do, I try very hard to
keep them! I have 3 key people that fit the "soft" attribute criteria
Randal mentioned, but with a premium skill set in their specific
function. Good luck with your
> -Original Message-
> From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bickn...@ufp.org]
> Sent: 01 December 2011 16:15
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
> It's a wonderful double edged sword. Someone who can think their w
In a message written on Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:17:08AM -0700, randal k wrote:
> This is a huge point. We've had a LOT of trouble finding good network
> engineers who have all of the previously mentioned "soft" attributes -
> attitude, team player, can write, can speak, can run a small project - an
ndant!
So if anybody is looking for something to do around London...
--
Leigh
-Original Message-
From: randal k [mailto:na...@data102.com]
Sent: 01 December 2011 15:19
To: Bill Stewart
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
This is a huge po
is looking for something to do around London...
--
Leigh
> -Original Message-
> From: randal k [mailto:na...@data102.com]
> Sent: 01 December 2011 15:19
> To: Bill Stewart
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
>
&
- Original Message -
> From: "randal k"
> Finding the diamond that has strong niche skill, networking, with a broad &
> just-deep-enough sysadmin background has been very, very hard. I cannot
> emphasize enough the importance of cross-training. Immensely valuable.
A relatively serviceabl
This is a huge point. We've had a LOT of trouble finding good network
engineers who have all of the previously mentioned "soft" attributes -
attitude, team player, can write, can speak, can run a small project - and
are more than just Cisco pimps. I cannot explain how frustrating it is to
meet a ne
Another really useful skill is knowing what it looks like to be a
customer / end user of one of those networks. Sure, it's fun to crank
obscure BGP load-balancing techniques, but you also need to know where
the industry as a whole is going technically and business-wise. Tier
1s sell to Tier 2s, b
tyler,
some additional "soft" skills that will help you distinguish yourself
from others:
- learn to write well: take some creative writing classes in addition
to technical writing. being able to efficiently write clear,
concise, and effective documentation is a skill that is necessary,
a
and then there are the people who are excited to have one more
person join the network of engineers. and (IMHO) the sentiments
quoted by Quinn are signs of short-sighted people. Everyone is
better at some things and worse at others. Don't ignore anyone,
d
There are more than a few people out there that will look down on you for
your efforts - ignore them.
"The people who want you to give up are jealous because you're better than
them. The people who are already better than you don't care about you
because you're not as good as them."
Q
On Tue, No
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:28:03 PST, Jeff Richmond said:
> Of course, once you get to the point of being in the industry for a long
> time like most of us here, you'll look back and say what the heck was I
> thinking, I should have been an accountant. Heh :)
It's the rare accountant indeed that gets
All excellent advice, but let me point out something else. I manage a team of
backbone engineers and still do quite a bit of engineering work myself. When I
interview, I never get caught up on certs or degrees. Now, do I ignore them?
No, of course not. They do mean something and I know I worked
On 22/11/11 10:46 AM, Matthew Petach wrote:
And then start experimenting and breaking things--some of your best
understanding is going to come from breaking your setup when
experimenting, and then figuring out why it broke, and how to get it
working again in the way you want. Debugging dual-sta
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Tyler Haske wrote:
> I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
> wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
> handle the big pipes that hold everyone's data.
Replying on-list, as I think a route for this d
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Keegan Holley
wrote:
> 2011/11/21
>> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:40:08 EST, Tyler Haske said:
>>
>> > I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
>> > wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
>> > handle the big
Scott's point is very true! Motivation will help you go very far,
much farther than certs/knowledge alone. As a soon to be
college-grad, be ready for the initial disappointment, :-), even
though you'll have your CCNP, you have no real experience, so you'll
start at the entry level. That's not a
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 02:32:53PM -0800, Scott Weeks wrote:
> --- tyler.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
> From: Tyler Haske
>
> I'd love to have varied experience with a bunch of different companies, but
> first I'm trying to guarantee my first network engineering job out of
> college.
>
--- tyler.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Tyler Haske
I'd love to have varied experience with a bunch of different companies, but
first I'm trying to guarantee my first network engineering job out of
college.
---
You've already taken the first step. T
2011/11/21
> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:40:08 EST, Tyler Haske said:
>
> > I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
> > wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
> > handle the big pipes that hold everyone's data.
>
> OK, so I'm not a mentor
I appreciate the feedback so far.
I'd love to have varied experience with a bunch of different companies, but
first I'm trying to guarantee my first network engineering job out of
college.
Currently I'm studying for the CCNP, exam, with plans to do the CCIP also
(its what I have the equipment for
On 22/11/11 03:09, Tyler Haske wrote:
> I really appreciate the specific insights offered by Keegan and Valdis.
>
> - Linking me places to apply for jobs doesn't help. I'm aware of who is
> considered Tier I, and how to find their website.
Don't limit yourself to Tier 1's on the outset.
A lot of N
Although it is outside of your current commuting distance, if you are looking to
stay in Michigan, you might look into Merit in Ann Arbor, or one of the major
universities. Merit has been around since the NSFNET/MichNet days.
On November 21, 2011 at 9:09 AM Tyler Haske wrote:
> I really appr
On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Tyler Haske wrote:
> I really appreciate the specific insights offered by Keegan and Valdis.
>
> - Linking me places to apply for jobs doesn't help. I'm aware of who is
> considered Tier I, and how to find their website.
>
> - I'm in Kalamazoo Michigan, and I can co
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 09:09:50AM -0500, Tyler Haske wrote:
> I really appreciate the specific insights offered by Keegan and Valdis.
>
> - Linking me places to apply for jobs doesn't help. I'm aware of who is
> considered Tier I, and how to find their website.
>
> - I'm in Kalamazoo Michigan, a
I really appreciate the specific insights offered by Keegan and Valdis.
- Linking me places to apply for jobs doesn't help. I'm aware of who is
considered Tier I, and how to find their website.
- I'm in Kalamazoo Michigan, and I can commute up to 50 miles. I can't move
until I finish my Bachelors
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:40:08 EST, Tyler Haske said:
> I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
> wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
> handle the big pipes that hold everyone's data.
OK, so I'm not a mentor from a Tier-1, and I don
Well, thats two mentors - and now one from the old school
Why wait? Start Now. Use the resources Chris gave you & others you find,
take Jims advice re total commitment, and then weigh that in the balance w/
your academic path. (noting that vendor credentials are good for the HR folks
fi
What Chris said Get a job in the industry.. work like crazy
learning as much as you can to learn, get involved in the industry to
make connections.
-jim
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Christopher Morrow
wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Tyler Haske wrote:
>> I'm looking for a men
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Tyler Haske wrote:
> I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
> wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
> handle the big pipes that hold everyone's data.
why not just apply as a tech at any of the dozen
Hi.
I have some big goals and a lot of enthusiasm but I need direction.
I'm looking for a mentor who can help me focus my career so eventually I
wind up working at one of the Tier I ISPs as a senior tech. I want to
handle the big pipes that hold everyone's data.
This is what I want to do with my
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