Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, George Bonser wrote: > What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is > to simply make static neighbor entries.  That eliminates any neighbor > table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become unreachable.  I > also do the same wit

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
> > Man. It must be annoying to change all those static neighbor entries > when the interfaces fail, links must be migrated to another line cards > or you replace routers. > > -- Yeah, that happens about once every five years or so and in my particular case there aren't a lot of these point to

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote: And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links. Man. It must

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
> And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless > auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links.

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Mike Walter
AM To: Richard A Steenbergen Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: >> >> What I have done on poin

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: >> >> What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers >> is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any >> neighbor table exhaustio

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired n

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: > > What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers > is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any > neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become > unreachable. I also d

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
> If you configure a /64, you are much more likely to have guaranteed > forwarding speed to that destination, and guaranteed number of routes > in FIB. What you don't have is a guarantee that ARP/NDP will work > correctly on the access router. If you choose to configure a /120, > you may lose one

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:30:17AM +0100, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > > Or how they do vlan configurations. > > > > I have complained about that, too. With Cisco you add vlans to ports, > > with Brocade you add ports to vlans. Subtle difference. You can't look > > at the config and very easily

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:52:54PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: > > No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade > > about it, you get told "it is too hard to program". You gotta be > > kiddin me > > Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve > inter

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread sthaug
> > Or how they do vlan configurations. > > I have complained about that, too. With Cisco you add vlans to ports, > with Brocade you add ports to vlans. Subtle difference. You can't look > at the config and very easily see which vlans are on which ports, you > have to do something like: Extreme

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
> No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade > about it, you get told "it is too hard to program". You gotta be > kiddin me Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve interfaces. > Or how they do vlan configurations. I have complained about that

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
om.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' > > Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > > sizeconsiderations > > > > I think this is the point where I get a shovel, a bullwhip and head > > over to the horse graveyard that is CAM optimization... > &g

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-09 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Woodfield [mailto:rek...@semihuman.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:11 PM > To: Chris Enger > Cc: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' > Subject: Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route t

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 10:13 PM > To: George Bonser; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > sizeconsiderations > > That's 1M IPv4 rou

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 3/8/11 10:12 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > That's 1M IPv4 routes, IIRC. Put IPv6 into the mix and that 1M quickly > shrinks. >> I am researching possible replacements for our Internet edge >> routers, and wanted to see what people could recommend for a smaller >> chassis or fixed router that c

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Frank Bulk
route table sizeconsiderations > From: Chris Enger > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:15 PM > To: 'nanog@nanog.org' > Subject: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > sizeconsiderations > > Greetings, > > I am researching possible replacements f

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Randy Carpenter
; > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:58 PM, George Bonser > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM > >> > To: &#x

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Tim Jackson
t; On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:58 PM, George Bonser wrote: > >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM >> > To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au&

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM > > To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' > > Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > > sizeconsiderations > > > > Our Brocade reps poi

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Bret Palsson
gt; -Original Message- >> From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM >> To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' >> Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table >&

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Enger [mailto:chr...@ci.hillsboro.or.us] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:18 PM > To: 'jgood...@studio442.com.au'; 'nanog@nanog.org' > Subject: RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > sizeconsid

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote: exception I've found so far is the Cisco ASR 1002, which can do 125k v6 along with 500k v4 routes at once. I'm curious if any other vendors have comparable products. The NetIron XMR will get you 1,000,000 routes. 1M of what kind of routes? A Sup720

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-08 Thread George Bonser
> From: Chris Enger > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:15 PM > To: 'nanog@nanog.org' > Subject: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table > sizeconsiderations > > Greetings, > > I am researching possible replacements for our Internet edge >