Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-04-02 Thread Owen DeLong
Personally, I don't see this as a bad thing. Open disclosure of peering relationships strikes me as a "sunlight is the best disinfectant" kind of situation. Will they be making this information public or accepting it under seal? If they're making it public, then, I think overall it's a good thing

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Thomas Mangin
Hi Fredy, On 30 Mar 2012, at 22:48, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > Now, obviously, the French regulator sees the trouble and trys to understand > and 'regulate' it the way they do it usually. From our perspective certainly > not a good way, but why blaming the regulator? Blame those which made it all >

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Raphael MAUNIER
On Mar 30, 2012, at 23:46, "Fredy Kuenzler" wrote: > Am 30.03.2012 23:20, schrieb Raphael MAUNIER: >> Sorry Fredy, but you are living in a care bear world ? >> >> Do you think some people build an intense national backbone >> >> You were @GPF last week, when Martin asked : Who want this to be

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Am 30.03.2012 23:20, schrieb Raphael MAUNIER: Sorry Fredy, but you are living in a care bear world ? Do you think some people build an intense national backbone You were @GPF last week, when Martin asked : Who want this to be regulated ? And Who want to have his peering controled ? why you didn

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Raphael MAUNIER
-Original Message- From: Leo Bicknell Organization: United Federation of Planets Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:37:51 -0700 To: 'NANOG list' Subject: Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering >In a message written on Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 09:

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 09:20:10PM +, Raphael MAUNIER wrote: > You were @GPF last week, when Martin asked : Who want this to be regulated > ? And Who want to have his peering controled ? why you didn't raise your > hand ? > > In my memory, no one did. It's also fearmonge

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Raphael MAUNIER
y incumbent. -- Raphaël Maunier NEO TELECOMS CTO / Directeur Ingénierie AS8218 -Original Message- From: Fredy Kuenzler Organization: Init Seven AG - http://www.init7.net/ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:06:39 +0200 To: 'NANOG list' Subject: Re: French Regulator to ask all your

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Am 30.03.2012 20:21, schrieb Raphael MAUNIER: This is now the end. The French regulator ( Arcep ) is now asking all the people with an ASN in France ( with a L33 license ) to get all their information on their peering. The Arcep claim it's for the "net neutrality" and still don't understand it w

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Arnaud Fenioux
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 07:50:43PM +0100, Mike > Blanche wrote: > > http://www.arcep.fr/index.php?id=9320 > > > > That's quite a big list. :-( (assuming I understand that list to be > > everyone licenced under L33-1) > >

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Fri Mar 30 13:30:19 > 2012 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:29:03 +0200 > From: Stefan Neufeind > To: "'NANOG list'" > Subject: Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering >

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Mike Andrews
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:05:35PM -0700, Bill Woodcock wrote: > On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Stefan Neufeind wrote: > >> You have to give them information twice a year > > Well, then for a few hundered peerings send them one letter each and > > wait for a reaction :-) > > Remember, these are bu

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 07:50:43PM +0100, Mike Blanche wrote: > http://www.arcep.fr/index.php?id=9320 > > That's quite a big list. :-( (assuming I understand that list to be > everyone licenced under L33-1) Can someone with more local knowledge explain a "L33" license? Looki

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Bill Woodcock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Stefan Neufeind wrote: >> You have to give them information twice a year > > Well, then for a few hundered peerings send them one letter each and > wait for a reaction :-) Remember, these are bureaucrats… Their react

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Mike Blanche
On 30 March 2012 19:27, Bill Woodcock wrote: > For those anglophones following this from afar, Malcolm Hutty's excellent > submission is relevant to your interests: > > > https://publicaffairs.linx.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ARCEP-2012-02-09-FINAL.pdf > > And here is who is caught: http

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
interesting discussion of jurisdiction. > In the present instance, we regard ARCEP’s proposed reporting requirement as > constituting an extra- > territorial obligation that ought not to be applied to operators who are > neither established in France nor > directly providing services within Fr

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 03/30/2012 08:21 PM, Raphael MAUNIER wrote: > > This is now the end. The French regulator ( Arcep ) is now asking all the > people with an ASN in France ( with a L33 license ) to get all their > information on their peering. [...] > You have to give them information twice a year Well, then f

Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Bill Woodcock
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Raphael MAUNIER wrote: > Hello All, > > This is now the end. The French regulator ( Arcep ) is now asking all the > people with an ASN in France ( with a L33 license ) to get all their > information on their peering.

French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering

2012-03-30 Thread Raphael MAUNIER
Hello All, This is now the end. The French regulator ( Arcep ) is now asking all the people with an ASN in France ( with a L33 license ) to get all their information on their peering. The Arcep claim it's for the "net neutrality" and still don't understand it works because it's self regulated. S