Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Ivan Pepelnjak wrote: Let me be the devil's advocate: why would you need full Internet routing? Taking reasonably sized neighborhoods of your upstreams (AS paths up to X AS numbers) plus a default to your best upstream might do the trick. Ivan We currently do exactly that - dropping anythin

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Arie Vayner wrote: I would second Ivan's comment. Unless you are a major transit operator (which beats the "small ISP" requirement), you don't really need a full view, and can do we a limited view with a default route. Until something breaks or the next big depeering chick

RE: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
Give Vyatta on a decent x86 server a try. http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/appbrief/Vyatta_app_BGP.pdf -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:42 AM To: nanog list Subject: BGP Growth projections I'm looking for new core ro

RE: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Ray Burkholder
> On 2009-07-12-06:09:12, Arie Vayner wrote: > > Unless you are a major transit operator (which beats the "small ISP" > > requirement), you don't really need a full view, and can do we a > > limited view with a default route. > > Disagree. Protection against big-provider depeerings, > interd

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-12-06:09:12, Arie Vayner wrote: > Unless you are a major transit operator (which beats the "small ISP" > requirement), you don't really need a full view, and can do we a > limited view with a default route. Disagree. Protection against big-provider depeerings, interdomain capacity pro

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10 jul 2009, at 19:03, Joel Jaeggli wrote: IPv6 is going to explode the routing table in the next 5 years. More like, ipv4 is going explode the routing table in the next 5 years? IPv6 is now at something like 1.2 - 1.4 prefixes per AS. So it will take a LONG time before we reach 100k

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Arie Vayner
://blog.ioshints.info/ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:42 PM > > To: nanog list > > Subject: BGP Growth projections > > > > I'm looking for new core routers for a

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-12 Thread Justin Shore
Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (<1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3 beco

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-11 Thread Randy Bush
>> IPv6 is going to explode the routing table in the next 5 years. > More like, ipv4 is going explode the routing table in the next 5 > years? more like the routing table will continue to grow, mostly proportional to growth in multi-homed sites and richer inter-provider topology. randy

RE: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-11 Thread Ivan Pepelnjak
.info/ > -Original Message- > From: Mark Radabaugh [mailto:m...@amplex.net] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:42 PM > To: nanog list > Subject: BGP Growth projections > > I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a > hard time > finding something ap

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-10-12:42:24, Mark Radabaugh wrote: [...] > What projections are you using regarding the default free zone over the > next 5 years when picking new hardware? Geoff Huston, et al provide some useful trending: http://bgp.potaroo.net/index-bgp.html With that said, I've been treating

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Mark Radabaugh wrote: > I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time > finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have > huge traffic levels (<1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to > upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (<1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfa

BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (<1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3 become legacy?). Lot's