Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-30 Thread Stephen Frost
Greetings, * Javier J (jav...@advancedmachines.us) wrote: > Since FiOS still doesn't do ipv6 (I don't bother checking anymore) I've > used tunnelbroker since I was stuck on Comcast. Called last week and, no, FiOS *still* doesn't do ipv6. Seriously ridiculous. > I'm not running BGP since that's

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-30 Thread Javier J
o HE (they close they > tunnelbroker service) you will have to renumber. > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Javier J > To: b...@uu3.net > Cc: nanog > Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:57:20 -0400 &

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-30 Thread borg
So, I assume you have PI IPv6 space and doing BGP with HE? In other case, if anything will happen to HE (they close they tunnelbroker service) you will have to renumber. -- Original message -- From: Javier J To: b...@uu3.net Cc: nanog Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke
lk about their Ethernet P2P services. > > -Matt > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:10 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Erculiani >> wrote: >> >>> I think the best way to think about what 10 years from now will look

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Crist Clark
de Bruyn >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Erculiani >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think the best way to think about what 10 years from now will look >>>> like is to compare 10 years ago to the present: >>>>

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Nathan Stratton
ey talk about their Ethernet P2P services. > > -Matt > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 1:10 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Erculiani >> wrote: >> >>> I think the best way to think about what 10 years from now will

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Matt Erculiani
think about what 10 years from now will look like >> is to compare 10 years ago to the present: >> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-April/thread.html >> > > Multi-homing your DSL connection? > I can't wait to multi-home my 10x10 array of StarLink satellit

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Erculiani wrote: > I think the best way to think about what 10 years from now will look like > is to compare 10 years ago to the present: > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-April/thread.html > Multi-homing your DSL connection? I c

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/29/21 11:36 AM, Matt Erculiani wrote: We might be talking a lot more about PRKI as it becomes compulsory, maybe 400G transit links will start being standard across the industry. If we're lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it) maybe a whole new routing protocol will be int

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Matt Erculiani
I think the best way to think about what 10 years from now will look like is to compare 10 years ago to the present: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2011-April/thread.html - BGP issues/hijacks: for sure, despite everyone's best efforts - Jokes and fun stories: I sure hope so! - Cu

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-29 Thread Javier J
med then? > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Mark Andrews > To: Andy Ringsmuth > Cc: Grant Taylor via NANOG > Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:00:38 +1100 > > There are more smart phones in use in the world

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-29 Thread Alain Hebert
...@jima.us>> wrote: >> >>> Please don't forget that RF sources can be tracked down by even >>> minimally-well-equipped adversaries. >>> >>> - Jima >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: NAN

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
hout appropriate government > >> "licenses", men with guns will come to dismantle it and arrest you. > >> > >> I am not saying it is an impossible problem to solve, but any system > >> intended for that sort of purpose would have to be designed for &g

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/29/21 07:21, Eric Kuhnke wrote: The US State Department is already a large customer for dedicated transponder capacity, in C-band hemispheric and Ku beams in some weird places in the world. As a randomly chosen example if you take a look at the roof of the UK embassy in Kabul, there'

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The US State Department is already a large customer for dedicated transponder capacity, in C-band hemispheric and Ku beams in some weird places in the world. As a randomly chosen example if you take a look at the roof of the UK embassy in Kabul, there's a nice 4 meter size Andrew/Commscope compact

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
e road of life is paved > with flat squirrels who could not make a decision. > > >-Original Message- > >From: NANOG On Behalf Of > >Eric Kuhnke > >Sent: Sunday, 28 March, 2021 18:24 > >To: na...@jima.us > >Cc: nanog@nanog.org > >Subject: Re: 10

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/29/21 02:23, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I am not saying it is an impossible problem to solve, but any system intended for that sort of purpose would have to be designed for circumvention, and not a consumer/COTS adaptation of an off the shelf starlink terminal. Behind the walls of an embas

RE: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Keith Medcalf
8:31 PM na...@jima.us <mailto:na...@jima.us> >mailto:na...@jima.us> > wrote: > > > Please don't forget that RF sources can be tracked down by even >minimally-well-equipped adversaries. > > - Jima > > -Original Message- &g

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-28 Thread blakangel
From: NANOG On Behalf Of scott Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 19:36 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) On 3/26/2021 9:42 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: LEO internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference in the corners of the world

Re: 10 years from now...

2021-03-28 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
get that RF sources can be tracked down by even minimally-well-equipped adversaries. - Jima -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of scott Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 19:36 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) On 3/26/2021 9:42 AM, Mic

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
.us wrote: > Please don't forget that RF sources can be tracked down by even > minimally-well-equipped adversaries. > > - Jima > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of scott > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 19:36 > To: nanog@nanog.org > Sub

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-27 Thread scott
On 3/26/2021 9:42 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: LEO internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference in the corners of the world where it's hard to get access, but will it allow internet access to parachute in behind the Great Firewall? How do the Chinas of the worl

RE: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-27 Thread na...@jima.us
Please don't forget that RF sources can be tracked down by even minimally-well-equipped adversaries. - Jima -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of scott Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 19:36 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) On

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-27 Thread scott
On 3/26/2021 9:42 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: LEO internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference in the corners of the world where it's hard to get access, but will it allow internet access to parachute in behind the Great Firewall? How do the Chinas of the

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-27 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/27/21 2:50 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:42:20 -0700, Michael Thomas said: dishwasher will probably be common, but that's hardly exciting. LEO internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference in the corners of the world where it's hard to get ac

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-27 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:42:20 -0700, Michael Thomas said: > dishwasher will probably be common, but that's hardly exciting. LEO > internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference > in the corners of the world where it's hard to get access, but will it > allow internet access t

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 3:31 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 3/26/21 23:30, b...@uu3.net wrote: Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything.. Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer does NOT care about NAT

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Bus

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 23:30, b...@uu3.net wrote: Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything.. Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer does NOT care about NAT and that he cant run services or he does

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 23:00, Mark Andrews wrote: There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Bus

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 22:12, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: Ten years from now? Easy. We’ll still be talking about the continued shortage of IPv4 address space and (legitimately) complaining about why IPv6 still isn’t the default addressing/routing methodology for the Internet worldwide. Thankfully, the user

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 3/26/21 21:42, Michael Thomas wrote: So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's pretty well played out by now. Gratuitously networked devices like my dishwasher will probably be common

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Robert L Mathews
On 3/26/21 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes shouldn’t have to >deploy NATs. Businesses shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. But NATs are good: https://youtu.be/v26BAlfWBm8 (Since we're speaking of things from ~10 years ago...!) -- Robert L Mathews, Tiger Tec

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread borg
-- From: Mark Andrews To: Andy Ringsmuth Cc: Grant Taylor via NANOG Subject: Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 08:00:38 +1100 There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Andrews
gt;>> If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next one >>> brings. >>> Mark. >>> >> >> >> So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from >> now. The last 10 years were all about phones an

Re: 10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
> On 3/26/21 12:26 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: >> If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next one >> brings. >> Mark. >> > > > So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from > now. The last 10 year

10 years from now... (was: internet futures)

2021-03-26 Thread Michael Thomas
On 3/26/21 12:26 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next one brings. Mark. So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years from now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's pretty w