On Tue, 6 May 2008, Nathan Ward wrote:
> This stuff about customers and things sounds too hard.
>
> Steve, have you actually had to do anycast without having control of
> the routing hop in front of your service providing hosts, or is this
> getting unnecessarily complicated? I'd imagine that the
On 5 May 2008, at 21:49, Nathan Ward wrote:
> On 6/05/2008, at 1:21 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
>
>> On 5 May 2008, at 20:50, Nathan Ward wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps what would make more sense here is Foundry (F5, etc.)
>>> building
>>> an anycast feature - anycast prefixes are withdrawn when a cluster
>>> re
On 6/05/2008, at 1:21 PM, Joe Abley wrote:
> On 5 May 2008, at 20:50, Nathan Ward wrote:
>
>> Perhaps what would make more sense here is Foundry (F5, etc.)
>> building
>> an anycast feature - anycast prefixes are withdrawn when a cluster
>> relying on that anycast prefix goes below a threshold.
On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:24:35 +1200
Nathan Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/05/2008, at 1:19 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
> > "Steve"? I assume you meant "Paul"
>
> No, Steve Gibbard referred to not having control of routers, Paul
> referred to customers.
>
Ah. As has often been
On 6/05/2008, at 1:19 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> "Steve"? I assume you meant "Paul"
No, Steve Gibbard referred to not having control of routers, Paul
referred to customers.
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On 5 May 2008, at 20:50, Nathan Ward wrote:
> Perhaps what would make more sense here is Foundry (F5, etc.) building
> an anycast feature - anycast prefixes are withdrawn when a cluster
> relying on that anycast prefix goes below a threshold.
I'm not sure exactly what feature is required, here.
On May 6, 2008, at 2:52 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
> delay, because nanog meetings only happen N times per year, so
> an idea may have to wait months before it's widely circulated.
> congestion,
> because nanog meetings are of fixed duration and there is, and has
> to be,
> competition for the sl
On 6/05/2008, at 4:07 AM, Paul Vixie wrote:
> i dearly do
> wish that something like a "service advertisement protocol" existed,
> that
> did what OSPF ECMP did, without a router operator effectively giving
> every
> customer the ability to inject other customer routes, or default
> routes.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Steven M. Bellovin") writes:
> > > If not, what should the criteria be for an "official" note of the paper?
> >
> > Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but can't those who wish to publish
> > such information simply deliver their papers at a NANOG meeting (after
> > acceptance
> ...
> A web site like arxiv is good for some stuff. But -- should there be a
> link from nanog.org to operational content? Should nanog.org have
> its own archive? Should there be a peer review process? If not, what
> should the criteria be for an "official" note of the paper?
>
>
On Tue, 6 May 2008 01:19:36 +0700
Roland Dobbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On May 6, 2008, at 12:59 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
> > If not, what should the criteria be for an "official" note of the
> > paper?
>
>
> Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but can't those who wish to
>
On May 6, 2008, at 12:59 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> If not, what should the criteria be for an "official" note of the
> paper?
Perhaps it's an oversimplification, but can't those who wish to
publish such information simply deliver their papers at a NANOG
meeting (after acceptance by
On 2008-05-05, Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> also, in OSPF, ECMP is not optional, even though most BSD-based software
> routers don't implement it yet (since multipath routing is very new.)
Some readers might be interested to know the exception to "most" here;
the OpenBSD kernel has supp
On 05 May 2008 16:07:03 +
Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > But yes, Joe's ISC TechNote is an excellent document, and was a big
> > help in figuring out how to set this up a few years ago.
>
> and now for something completely different -- where in the interpipes
> could a document
On May 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM, David Andersen wrote:
> On May 5, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
>>
>>> But yes, Joe's ISC TechNote is an excellent document, and was a big
>>> help
>>> in figuring out how to set this up a few years ago.
>>
>> and now for something completely different -- where
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) writes:
>
> > > ... if each anycast cluster is really several servers, each using OSPF
> > > ECMP, then you can lose a server and still have that cluster advertising
> > > the route upstrea
On May 5, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
>
>> But yes, Joe's ISC TechNote is an excellent document, and was a big
>> help
>> in figuring out how to set this up a few years ago.
>
> and now for something completely different -- where in the
> interpipes could
> a document like that have be
Hello All ,
On Mon, 5 May 2008, Paul Vixie wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) writes:
...snip...
>> But yes, Joe's ISC TechNote is an excellent document, and was a big help
>> in figuring out how to set this up a few years ago.
>
> and now for something completely different -- wher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) writes:
> > ... if each anycast cluster is really several servers, each using OSPF
> > ECMP, then you can lose a server and still have that cluster advertising
> > the route upstream, and only when you lose all servers in a cluster will
> > that route be withdrawn
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