Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

Why not publish such a table? It shouldn’t be a particularly difficult task and could prove rather enlightening. Owen > On Sep 19, 2022, at 20:09, John Curran wrote: > >  >>> On 19 Sep 2022, at 10:48 PM, John Gilmore wrote: >>> >>> John Curran wrote: >>> [challenges by legacy registran

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

An important detail in the CI case is that there was no PDP based change in the policy text, AFRINIC simply suddenly contradicted their own prior statements and began (mid)interpreting their own governing documents to say things that they don’t actually say. Owen > On Sep 19, 2022, at 19:49,

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

> On Sep 19, 2022, at 09:50, John Curran wrote: > >  >> On 19 Sep 2022, at 12:29 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Tom Beecher wrote: >>> A bit of an exaggeration there. The RSA says that you are bound >>> by all current and future policies that come from the

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

On 19 Sep 2022, at 11:08 PM, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: On 19 Sep 2022, at 10:48 PM, John Gilmore mailto:g...@toad.com>> wrote: ... Is there a public archive of these court proceedings? Or even a list of which cases have involved ARIN (or another RIR)? John - Not to my kn

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

> On 19 Sep 2022, at 10:48 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > > John Curran wrote: >> [challenges by legacy registrants] has been before judges and resolved >> numerous times. >> >> We’ve actually had the matter before many judges, and have never been >> ordered to do anything other than operate the re

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023

John Curran wrote: > [challenges by legacy registrants] has been before judges and resolved > numerous times. > > We’ve actually had the matter before many judges, and have never been > ordered to do anything other than operate the registry per the number > resource policy as developed by this co

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Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 1:06 PM wrote: > You don't have to register a trademark with either to claim legal > force. Trademarks have a fascinating history. Originally they were a requirement rather than a right: producers of certain commodities were required to place a distinctive mark to authenti

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On September 19, 2022 at 10:16 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:04 AM wrote: > > Are IP addresses like houses, though? Aren't they more like other > > intellectual property such as trademarks or patents? What happens > > to those when you don't pay the USPT

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Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:04 AM wrote: > Are IP addresses like houses, though? Aren't they more like other > intellectual property such as trademarks or patents? What happens > to those when you don't pay the USPTO? You lose the ability to sue for triple damages. You can only sue for injunctions

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

* g...@toad.com (John Gilmore) [Sat 17 Sep 2022, 04:14 CEST]: Now that markets exist for IP addresses, all that IP addresses need is a deed-registry to discourage fraud, like a county real-estate registrar's office. Are IP addresses like houses, though? Aren't they more like other intellectual

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On 19 Sep 2022, at 12:29 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Tom Beecher mailto:beec...@beecher.cc>> wrote: A bit of an exaggeration there. The RSA says that you are bound by all current and future policies that come from the Policy Development Proc

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > A bit of an exaggeration there. The RSA says that you are bound > by all current and future policies that come from the Policy Development > Process. The PDP is open to everyone except ARIN Trustees or Staff. > So by definition, ARIN could not u

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

Bill- The RSA contract ARIN offers registrants boils down to this: so long > as you pay us, you can use IP addresses the way we say you can. The > way we say you can is subject to change at any time according to the > change process which we can replace at any time at the pleasure of our > board o

RE: [External] Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 Decembe

This is where things keep getting held up on the legal side. At least in my experience. It would be great if something could be expanded upon in the RSA to clarify some rights. Has ARIN ever worked with the IANA, NSF, OSTP, DOJ, etc to clarify things? I recall this letter https://www.arin.net/

Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 20

On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 7:39 AM John Curran wrote:? > On 16 Sep 2022, at 10:11 PM, John Gilmore wrote: >> As a simple example, ARIN's contract need not require its customers to >> give up their resources when ceasing to pay ARIN for services. (There's > > A wonderful assertion, but false. Of co

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 7:16 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > Allocations made before the RIR systems were created have no > contracts or covenants attached. Allocations made from the RIRs do. > > The 'rights' claimed by legacy holders are therefore unenumerated ; > their argument is essentially 'nothing s

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

Tom - That’s one way of characterizing the situation, but there’s also a deeper aspect that may not be readily apparent – The nature of the Internet number registry system is inherently different than that a normal customer / vendor relationship, in that the entire concept underlying the system

Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] Availability of the Legacy Fee Cap for New LRSA Entrants Ending as of 31 December 2023)

> > I highly recommend that legacy holders who wish to ensure that their > rights are respected transfer their registrations to RIPE-NCC, whether they > have signed the LRSA or not. > For the uninitiated, this is the crux of the disagreements. (Before I begin, this is not a personal shot at Owen o