Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Sean Donelan
Remember, this rulemaking is for 1.1 million locations with the "worst" return on investment. The end of the tail of the long tail. Rural and tribal locations which aren't profitable to provide higher speed broadband. These locations have very low customer density, and difficult to serve.

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/23/22 3:43 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I think a gig is not an unreasonable target… It’s 100Mbps plus adequate headroom for the likely oversubscription models and the occasional downloads that are modern day reality. Nobody is going to consistently use 1Gbps, but the difference in wire time

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread james.cut...@consultant.com
On May 23, 2022, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 5/23/22 3:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Is it? >> >> What’s the bandwidth of a good quality 4K stream? What about 4 of them + >> various additional interactive technologies, software downloads, media >> downloads, etc.? >> >> Looking

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
I think a gig is not an unreasonable target… It’s 100Mbps plus adequate headroom for the likely oversubscription models and the occasional downloads that are modern day reality. Nobody is going to consistently use 1Gbps, but the difference in wire time for a large download between 100Mbps and 1

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/23/22 3:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Is it? What’s the bandwidth of a good quality 4K stream? What about 4 of them + various additional interactive technologies, software downloads, media downloads, etc.? Looking at the graphs, my household (which isn’t average by any stretch of the ima

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Owen DeLong via NANOG
Is it? What’s the bandwidth of a good quality 4K stream? What about 4 of them + various additional interactive technologies, software downloads, media downloads, etc.? Looking at the graphs, my household (which isn’t average by any stretch of the imagination, but it is a household) doesn’t nee

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Andrew Odlyzko via NANOG
Yes! Some other ways to the basic idea are that The function of data networks is to satisfy human impatience. and The goal is to minimize transaction latency. Once you accept either one, the conclusion that follows is that there is no limit to potential demand (which, however, as always,

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread james.cut...@consultant.com
On May 23, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > Really? What is the average household doing to use up a gig worth of > bandwidth? > > Mike Optimize their activities by remove a major delay factors from their activities. See The Human Use of Human Beings, a book by Norbert Wiener.

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
That is all obvious to me at least. I was just pointing out the folly in saying “what would one do with that much X” resource. We always have found a way going back to the beginning. My story about back at BT was prior to video streaming. At that point in time it didn’t exist and was made a reali

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
> On May 23, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: >> The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will >> need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just jump it to a gig or more? > > > Really? What is the ave

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/23/22 12:29 PM, David Bass wrote: What is changing in the next 5 years that could possibly require a household to need a gig?  That is just ridiculous. I think the key thing is just to get fiber laid. Once that happens ISP's can turn up the dial relatively easy as needed. Also: even if t

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread David Bass
What is changing in the next 5 years that could possibly require a household to need a gig? That is just ridiculous. On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 3:15 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 5/23/22 12:04 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: > > > > > >> On May 23, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > >> > >> > >

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/23/22 12:04 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: On May 23, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just jump it to a gig or more?

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Michael Thomas
On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will need more than a gig within 5 years.  Why not just jump it to a gig or more? Really? What is the average household doing to use up a gig worth of bandwidth? Mike On 5

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Sean Donelan
Money, money, money. On Mon, 23 May 2022, Aaron Wendel wrote: The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will need more than a gig within 5 years.  Why not just jump it to a gig or more? On 5/23/2022 1:40 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: https://www.fcc.gov/document/

Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Aaron Wendel
The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will need more than a gig within 5 years.  Why not just jump it to a gig or more? On 5/23/2022 1:40 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-higher-speed-goals-small-rural-broadband-providers-0

FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-23 Thread Sean Donelan
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-higher-speed-goals-small-rural-broadband-providers-0 The Federal Communications Commission voted [May 19, 2022] to seek comment on a proposal to provide additional universal service support to certain rural carriers in exchange for increasing deployme