Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
Sorry, I wasn't sure what you meant by 3rd tier, but yes, we are talking about GAA. The important bit is as I stated is "or that nobody currently is transmitting on" And yes, the CBRS Radio, called a CBSD must be configured ahead of time to making freq grant requests to the SAS. This happens via

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread John Gilmore
Michael Thomas wrote: > > What do you mean 3rd Tier? > General Authorized Access? Taken from some random site looking it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Broadband_Radio_Service it has 3 tiers: * Incumbent access, primarily government and military radars, plus some pre-existing band

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread sronan
My understanding is those systems require very little bandwidth, so barring a full “jam” of the full spectrum, it can still operate. This is not the same use case as most private 5G implementations. Shame > On Nov 30, 2021, at 6:05 PM, James Jun wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 05:48:28PM

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread James Jun
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 05:48:28PM -0500, Shane Ronan wrote: > Please provide details on public transit systems that are controlled via > Wifi, I find that very interesting. > He's talking about CBTC running on 2.4Ghz band for DCS. And yes he is right, numerous metro subway systems use this. F

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
Please provide details on public transit systems that are controlled via Wifi, I find that very interesting. Shane On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 5:43 PM Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > tir. 30. nov. 2021 23.19 skrev Tom Beecher : > >> In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full contr

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
I'm sorry Anthony, but you are just plain wrong. You do not have protection rights which means that people can infringe, but the SAS will only provide you a channel that others haven't already been granted. This is very different from protection rights which are guaranteed to higher class users. If

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
tir. 30. nov. 2021 23.19 skrev Tom Beecher : > In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full control of >> his warehouse and it would be very illegal for any outside party to install >> any device at all including unauthorised wifi devices. >> > > Nothing illegal about someone s

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Anthony
Opps, Replied direct this is a bit one sided of the conversation but I want to make certain the community is clear on this as CBRS is a valuable spectrum. Unfortunately Shane this is incorrect.   GAA is not significantly different then any unlicensed spectrum as to interference avoidance.  B

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Tom Beecher
> > In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full control of > his warehouse and it would be very illegal for any outside party to install > any device at all including unauthorised wifi devices. > Nothing illegal about someone sitting in a parking lot next door with a pineapple

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Baldur Norddahl
tir. 30. nov. 2021 22.09 skrev Shane Ronan : > Happy, no, but it wouldn't be illegal. And if they are building their > warehouse automation based on wifi, it would surely be a problem if someone > was competing for bandwidth. > In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full contr

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
Happy, no, but it wouldn't be illegal. And if they are building their warehouse automation based on wifi, it would surely be a problem if someone was competing for bandwidth. The policy functions and timing interval of a cellular network are also far superior to wifi. On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 4:00

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Michael Thomas
On 11/30/21 12:53 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: What makes it different is once you've been allocated spectrum, which for in-building use is almost guaranteed, no one else can use that spectrum, so it's guaranteed. Unlike Wifi, where any device can transmit in those frequencies. If it's in premise

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
What makes it different is once you've been allocated spectrum, which for in-building use is almost guaranteed, no one else can use that spectrum, so it's guaranteed. Unlike Wifi, where any device can transmit in those frequencies. Shane On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > >

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Tom Beecher
My assumption was that he meant GAA. On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:48 PM Shane Ronan wrote: > What do you mean 3rd Tier? > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > >> >> On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote: >> >> The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi,

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Michael Thomas
On 11/30/21 12:43 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: What do you mean 3rd Tier? General Authorized Access? Taken from some random site looking it up. Mike On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote: The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
What do you mean 3rd Tier? On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote: > > The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi, > including but not limited to guaranteed spectrum. > > For the 3rd tier I assume that works pretty

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
Except there is spectrum available which is not subject to PAL, and for an inbuilding system with low power, there are specific exemptions that make it almost guaranteed when requested properly from the SAS. Shane On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:06 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > There is no guaranteed spec

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Wifi handoff is 802.11r. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote: > > The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wif

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman
There is no guaranteed spectrum in CBRS without a PAL. That auction has come and gone, but the license holders may rent out channels in time (this is expected to happen). Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 30, 2021

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Michael Thomas
On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote: The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi, including but not limited to guaranteed spectrum. For the 3rd tier I assume that works pretty much like wifi spectrum, right? It seems to be at about 3.5Ghz so that would be pretty short

Re: private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Shane Ronan
The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi, including but not limited to guaranteed spectrum. On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/preview-aws-private-5g/ > > Why would somebody want this over wifi? And

private 5G networks?

2021-11-30 Thread Michael Thomas
https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/preview-aws-private-5g/ Why would somebody want this over wifi? And what spectrum are they using? They can't just camp on allocated spectrum, right? Mike

Re: Theorical question about cyclic dependency in IRR filtering

2021-11-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Ben Maddison wrote: > Hi Chris, > > On 11/29, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 8:14 AM Job Snijders via NANOG > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > > > Circular dependencies definitely are a thing to keep in mind when > > > designing IRR and

Re: Theorical question about cyclic dependency in IRR filtering

2021-11-30 Thread Ben Maddison via NANOG
Hi Chris, On 11/29, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 8:14 AM Job Snijders via NANOG > wrote: > > > Hi Anurag, > > > > Circular dependencies definitely are a thing to keep in mind when > > designing IRR and RPKI pipelines! > > > > In the case of IRR: It is quite rare to query t