Re: Network visibility

On 10/21/21 03:19, Brian Johnson wrote: +1 on -48VDC. Wasn't much fun when half the router would shutdown because power supplies failed, due to what was known as "power zoning" those days. I haven't deployed a larger router on DC in over 13 years. I'm not sure if this is still a thing,

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 20:37, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: -48VDC power is still the best. I really envy folk that love DC for networking gear :-). Work in 2007 was an all-DC network. I rebuilt it into AC, considering the ISP also owned the data centre (most of whose customers bought

Re: abha

On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:45 PM, Brett Watson wrote: > On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:41, Randy Bush wrote: >> >> abha died 20 years ago today > > Still miss her, she was a ray of sunshine. I can still hear her laugh, see her smile. Which makes me happy and sad at the same time. We all owe her. NANOG wo

Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

Hi Omar, This is likely a hoax. Probably a “joe job” - making it appear as someone innocent is responsible. Its good to share this info to raise network operators awareness since even if it is fake its concerning how many received it. I’ll leave it to the pros here to tell us if we shouldn’t wor

Re: Smokeping - EchoPingHttps

I sort of feel like echopinghttps is a near 20-year old tool with little to no bearing on the reality of where TLS is today. The owner of this tool has discontinued it ( see https://github.com/bortzmeyer/echoping ) and it is no longer maintained. I wouldn't rely on it anymore. -john On Wed, Oct

Re: Network visibility

+1 on -48VDC. > On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:38 PM, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE > wrote: > >> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka > > wrote: >> >> >> At any rate, you may very well need more than one system to monitor your >> entire network. >> >> Mark. > >

Smokeping - EchoPingHttps

I used EchoPingHttps for the first time today. I pulled up the top 20 sites (well, removing duplicate sites from the same company) from Alexa and put them in to trend response times. I've had "this feels slow" over the years, but no way to really track that other than feels and pings. I no

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 6:52 PM, Kain, Becki (.) wrote: Oh and I remember the day we first got mosaic and I thought “why would I need pictures on the internet?” - When Mosaic first got I remember thinking what the heck do I do

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On 10/20/21 3:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the history of networking, When Wizards Stayed Up Late is quite elucidating. +10 to Where Wizards Stay Up Late. I recently re-acquired (multiple copies of) it. (Multiple because I wanted the same

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:59 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > For several years we had UCSB’s IMP control panel hanging in our office as a > wall decoration (it belonged to Larry Green, one of the UCSB IMPlementors). I > still have the manuals. The actual IMP with 56Kbps modem was in a huge rack > w

Re: Network visibility

For several years we had UCSB’s IMP control panel hanging in our office as a wall decoration (it belonged to Larry Green, one of the UCSB IMPlementors). I still have the manuals. The actual IMP with 56Kbps modem was in a huge rack with lifting eyes for a fork lift, and weighed about 500 lbs. Eve

Re: Network visibility

On October 20, 2021 at 13:09 m...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas) wrote: > Yeah, I miss DECUS too. I remember one plenary when somebody asked when the > VAX > would support the full 4G address space to laughs and guffaws from panel. We had an 8MB Vax 11/780 at Harvard Chemistry ca 1982 (VMS) which

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Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the history of networking, When Wizards Stayed Up Late is quite elucidating. Mike On 10/20/21 2:16 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: *Mel Beckman*mel at beckman.org

Re: Network visibility

On October 20, 2021 at 16:08 m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) wrote: > Mark, > > Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each > ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and simplex > Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' email ad

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*Mel Beckman*mel at beckman.org wrote: Mark, Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each ARPANET connection required a host-specifi

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 19:32, Mel Beckman wrote: such tinkaing... Cute... is rare. It certainly doesn’t rise to the level of “never works out of the box.” Luck you. Mark.

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 12:38 PM, james.cut...@consultant.com wrote: I don’t remember hearing about IP for VAX/VMS 2.4, but I was part of a group at Intel in 1981 looking at ARPAnet for moving designer tools and design files as an alternate to leased bandwidth from $TELCOs using DECnet and BiSync HASP. Th

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 11:52, Kain, Becki (.) wrote: Oh and I remember the day we first got mosaic and I thought “why would I need pictures on the internet?” Couple that with the early search engines such as Lycos and WebCrawler and there's a story to tell. I was a volunteer at a local non-profit fledg

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 19:53, Jared Brown wrote: > “When the rules were created 25 years ago I don’t think anyone would have > envisioned four or five companies would be driving 80% of the traffic on > the world’s internet. They aren’t making a contribution to the services > they are being carrie

Re: Network visibility

I don’t remember hearing about IP for VAX/VMS 2.4, but I was part of a group at Intel in 1981 looking at ARPAnet for moving designer tools and design files as an alternate to leased bandwidth from $TELCOs using DECnet and BiSync HASP. The costs of switching from 56 Kbps to ARPAnet’s 50 Kbps conv

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Re: Network visibility

I think the issuing of rfc 791 was much more important than the flag day. ARPAnet was a tiny, tiny universe but there were a lot of people interested in networking at the time wondering what to do with our neat new DEUNA and DEQNA adapters. There was tons of interest in all of the various proto

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

Not to be outdone, British Telecom joins the cephalopod games: “Every Tbps (terabit-per-second) of data consumed over and above current levels costs about £50m,” says Marc Allera, the chief executive of BT’s consumer division. “In the last year alone we’ve seen 4Tbps of extra usage and the cost

RE: Network visibility

Oh and I remember the day we first got mosaic and I thought “why would I need pictures on the internet?” 😊 From: NANOG On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:47 PM Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network visibility WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Mo

Re: Network visibility

Since we seem to be getting pedantic... There's "The (capital I) Internet" - which, most date to the flag day, and the "Public Internet" (the Internet after policies changed and allowed commercial & public use over the NSFnet backbone - in 1992f, as I recall). Then there's the more general n

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Mark Tinka > wrote: > > > At any rate, you may very well need more than one system to monitor your > entire network. > > Mark. Not the least of reasons for this: Redundancy. We have more than 1 tool doing every job, incase there’s a b

Re: Network visibility

Jay Hennigan wrote: On 10/20/21 10:30, Mel Beckman wrote: Owen, LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was/ that /the Internet? Nope. And it wasn't even the fir

Re: Network visibility

Michael, “Looking into” isn’t “is” :) -mel On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:  On 10/20/21 8:26 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: Mark, As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of com

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 10:30, Mel Beckman wrote: Owen, LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was/ that /the Internet? Nope. And it wasn't even the first digital encoding o

Re: abha

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:41, Randy Bush wrote: > > abha died 20 years ago today Still miss her, she was a ray of sunshine.

abha

abha died 20 years ago today

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 8:26 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: Mark, As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. It’s 2021, hence the Internet is /less/ than, not

Re: Network visibility

Mark, I haven’t. With SNMP and other standards, and most NMS’ having extensible interfaces, such tinkaing is rare. It certainly doesn’t rise to the level of “never works out of the box.” -mel > On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 10/20/21 18:38, Mel Beckman wrote:

Re: Network visibility

Owen, LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works in Morristown, New Jersey. Was that the Internet? Sorry, not buying your supposed argument. People experimenting with TCP/IP doesn’t an Internet

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 18:38, Mel Beckman wrote: I’ve used many commercial NMS platforms. I’ve yet to find one that doesn’t work “out of the box”. Unless by “out of the box” you mean “clairvoyantly configured”. Please identify the ones you think fail your test. Have you always used an NMS that you'v

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 08:26 , Mel Beckman wrote: > > Mark, > > As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official > birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers > on different networks talk to each other. January 1, 1983 is actually

Re: Network visibility

I’ve used many commercial NMS platforms. I’ve yet to find one that doesn’t work “out of the box”. Unless by “out of the box” you mean “clairvoyantly configured”. Please identify the ones you think fail your test. -mel via cell > On Oct 20, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 18:08, Mel Beckman wrote: Mark, Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and simplex Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' email addresses, and routing had to be specif

Re: Network visibility

Mark, Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and simplex Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' email addresses, and routing had to be specified in advance within each NCP message. Eve

Re: PowerSwitch S4100 (S4148-ON) chipset

On 20/10/2021 16:50, Tom Hill wrote: > On 19/10/2021 14:50, Tim Jackson wrote: >> It's a lower bandwidth Trident2+ with some different I/O options iirc. >> Same featureset, but a mix of 10G and 25G serdes, targeted at like >> 48x10g+4x100G boxes. > > That was my understanding of Maverick... For so

Re: PowerSwitch S4100 (S4148-ON) chipset

On 19/10/2021 14:50, Tim Jackson wrote: > It's a lower bandwidth Trident2+ with some different I/O options iirc. > Same featureset, but a mix of 10G and 25G serdes, targeted at like > 48x10g+4x100G boxes. That was my understanding of Maverick... For some reason there's something in my head that sa

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 17:26, Mel Beckman wrote: Mark, As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. It’s 2021, hence the Internet is /less/ than, not

Re: Network visibility

Mark, As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. It’s 2021, hence the Internet is less than, not more than, 40 years old. Given your mathemat

Re: Network visibility

On 10/20/21 11:55, Nat Fogarty wrote: Hi there, I'm interested in what you good folks do in terms of network visibility. My interests are around Service Provider space - visibility for IPoE, PPPoE, TCP(User Experience). I use a product called "VoIPmonitor" for all things VoIP - and it is

Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

I put what we received up on pastebin entirely with headers (and redacted our info). https://pastebin.com/kLjPm8Nk Warm regards, -M< On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 9:19 AM Radu-Adrian Feurdean < na...@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, at 16:00, Hunter Fuller via NANOG wrote:

Re: Geo-location - IP Location Websites

Hello, On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 13:38, Pascal Masha wrote: > > Apart from that, how do you all get them to quickly > change their records especially for a block that > you recovered from one country and moved to > another within the same RIR region/continent? There is no such thing as "get them al

Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?

Baldur Norddahl wrote: Around here there are certain expectations if you sell a product called IP Transit and other expectations if you call the product paid peering. That some word is used for marketing hype with an intentional self-contradicting definition is not my problem, at all. The so

Re: Geo-location - IP Location Websites

The support for most geoip websites answers my requests within a few days at most. It's easiest if you self publish a geofeed as described at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-google-self-published-geofeeds-02 and keep it up to date. At that point you can just point them to that feed and they'll hap

Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, at 16:00, Hunter Fuller via NANOG wrote: > We have a distinct abuse address (not just abuse@) and that is where > the messages were sent. > > We didn't receive the bomb threat ones. We only received the (somewhat > more amusing) messages entitled "Your network has been PWNED"

Network visibility

Hi there, I'm interested in what you good folks do in terms of network visibility. My interests are around Service Provider space - visibility for IPoE, PPPoE, TCP(User Experience). I use a product called "VoIPmonitor" for all things VoIP - and it is one of my favourite tools. It is a web gui f

Geo-location - IP Location Websites

Dear All, If you are running a website that provides IP Location data; it's only fair that you be updating your data fast enough (not more than a month) and poll the correct information provided by the respective RIRs and more especially if other services rely on your data to lock services. Apart