Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 02/11/2017 20:01, LF OD wrote: Try: https://www.packetlight.com/ -Hank > We have several buildings and a couple data centers spread around the city > and interconnected via dark fiber. It's a very simple setup - no ROADM, no > real ring, no extended layer-2 or layer-3 via the optical gear.

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Brent Jones > wrote: > >> I've set a few people up with FS.com, and my $employer uses then for a lot >> of DWDM without issue. >> >> > as another fs.com user of cwdm muxes... yes, in the limited sam

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Brent Jones wrote: > I've set a few people up with FS.com, and my $employer uses then for a lot > of DWDM without issue. > > as another fs.com user of cwdm muxes... yes, in the limited sample I have they work for me... you ought to be able to pair the CWDM muxes l

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Brent Jones
I've set a few people up with FS.com, and my $employer uses then for a lot of DWDM without issue. Quality bites everyone, cleaning terminations is one of the neglected steps :p On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Micah Croff wrote: > I've used Adva passive DWDM MUX's and colored FlexOptix DWDM 10G

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
fs.com DWDM with a 1310 pass through port. That way you can still run 40G or 100G over the 1310. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "LF OD" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thurs

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread LF OD
Wow... a lot of suggestions and very quickly too. CWDM may not be an option because some of the spans are just out of range, but I'm going to look at it for the short spans. Thanks for all the feedback, folks. (I'll contact some of you off-board) LFOD From:

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Micah Croff
I've used Adva passive DWDM MUX's and colored FlexOptix DWDM 10G optics. It worked very well with zero issues. I haven't personally used MUX's from fs.com but I've had colleagues use them and caution against them due to the quality. On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > fs.com D

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe when I've looked into it before, UP required your utility to be at the far outside edge of their ROW, so not really close to the track. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message -

RE: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Robert Jacobs
We use and love Infinera XTG Muxes for our P2P extensions off the main optical core. They have a line of manageable 8 channel DWDM passive mux that you can get basic up down traps and optical information about each channel. You can use grey market or OAM tuned ten gig transponders in your swit

RE: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Romeo Czumbil
CWDM option might be your best bet here. If you need more channels and you want to go to DWDM then check out Ekinops Great product and they don't charge as much as the other guys -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of LF OD Sent: Thursday, November 2

Re: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 2 Nov 2017, at 09:25, Naslund, Steve wrote: > There are four facts to be aware of here. > > 1. Locators are not 100% especially when it comes to fiber. I remember years ago in New Zealand there was buried fibre along the railway running north-south in the North Island that was not generall

RE: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Luke Guillory
These guys seem to be a white box solution for Optical. https://www.lumentum.com I see that Juniper and Infinera have both worked on solutions to work on their hardware. Luke Guillory Vice President – Technology and Innovation Tel:985.536.1212 Fax:985.536.0300 Email: lguill...@re

Re: Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread Chuck Anderson
CWDM is cheaper and will probably work fine within a city. Check fs.com. On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 06:01:10PM +, LF OD wrote: > We have several buildings and a couple data centers spread around the city > and interconnected via dark fiber. It's a very simple setup - no ROADM, no > real ring,

Are there inexpensive DWDM products?

2017-11-02 Thread LF OD
We have several buildings and a couple data centers spread around the city and interconnected via dark fiber. It's a very simple setup - no ROADM, no real ring, no extended layer-2 or layer-3 via the optical gear. Pretty much we just mux/demux a channel for each building so that each building

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2017-11-02 Thread Rod Beck
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RE: Calgary <-> Toronto 100% Canadian Fibre Resiliency on failover

2017-11-02 Thread Naslund, Steve
There are four facts to be aware of here. 1. Locators are not 100% especially when it comes to fiber. Databases do not always get updated and maps can have errors. They can be difficult to locate if they are not mapped because there is very little detectable metal in them. I have personall