Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread John Curran
On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > you just happen to have the view from a third world country > look at. >http://archive.psg.com/141006.rpki-nanog.pdf slides 4 & 5 > or > http://certification-stats.ripe.net/?type=roa-v4 Randy - To what extent is the ROA growth rate in

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Ca By
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > you just happen to have the view from a third world country > look at. > http://archive.psg.com/141006.rpki-nanog.pdf slides 4 & 5 > or > http://certification-stats.ripe.net/?type=roa-v4 > > randy > I agree with Randy. RPKI is achievab

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Randy Bush
you just happen to have the view from a third world country look at. http://archive.psg.com/141006.rpki-nanog.pdf slides 4 & 5 or http://certification-stats.ripe.net/?type=roa-v4 randy

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > The whole rc script thing strikes me as an interim solution that > required a minimum of code changes (graduate student project?) that went > viral. Bad as it was, it worked. Duct tape and bailing wire [snip] > Systemd is not a re-f

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 02:41:55PM -0700, Peter Baldridge wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > > Why can't systemd have a --text flag to > > tell it to output in ascii text mode for those > > of us who prefer it that way? ^ This | is not what that | does

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 01:55:43PM -0700, Matthew Petach wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Satchell > wrote: > > Oh, and I hate binary logs. Period. If you can't stand plain text, > > then try XML. At least humans have a *chance* to read it without having > > to make fancy read

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Peter Baldridge
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > Why can't systemd have a --text flag to > tell it to output in ascii text mode for those > of us who prefer it that way? It does. --no-pager -- Pete

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Matthew Petach
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > ... > Oh, and I hate binary logs. Period. If you can't stand plain text, > then try XML. At least humans have a *chance* to read it without having > to make fancy reader tools. > > Completely agree on this point--but I fail to see why

Re: A translation (was Re: An update from the ICANN ISPCP meeting...)

2014-10-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <5526169e-d263-4132-a809-0b0a6fce8...@virtualized.org>, David Conrad writes: > Barry, > > On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > I believe this never-ending quest for more reliable domain > > registration data is being driven by intellectual property lawyers to > > lower

Re: pay.gov and IPv6

2014-10-25 Thread Hugo Slabbert
Why not just use a browser plugin that allow you to disable v6 selectively on a per site/domain basis? Most of them just display v4/v6 information, but 4or6 allows you to quickly set a domain/site as v4 only. Ref https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4or6/?src=search -- Hugo On Oct 25

Re: NOC Calendar

2014-10-25 Thread Chris Garrett
The readability of this would depended entirely on your ticket volume. What we have run into is that once you get to a point where you have more than 10-15 events per day that you are tracking, then the large screen display becomes pretty useless if you want to show them all. I attached a we

Re: pay.gov and IPv6

2014-10-25 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 3/17/2014 11:43 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Random IPv6 complaint of the day: redirects from FCC.gov to pay.gov fail when clients have IPv6 enabled. Work fine if IPv6 is off. One more set of client computers that should be dual-stacked are now relegated to IPv4-only until someone remembers to

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 10/25/2014 08:12 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > If all of the scripts are cut'n'paste copes of each other, wouldn't it > be better to figure out a way to stop cutting and pasting? I can't > count the number of times I've run into problems with my code because > of that, never mind how many times it

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Danny McPherson
On 2014-10-25 06:57, Sandra Murphy wrote: Other RIR based RIRs have the same ability to protect prefixes in their realm of control. (See RFC 2725 RPSS)(*) (I think that APNIC is doing pretty much as RIPE is.) Even RIPE is not secure for prefixes outside their region. (There's one maintainer t

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

2014-10-25 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Jim Mercer wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:41:39AM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: >> All those init.d scripts do about 95% the same thing, all hacked >> together in shell. Most of them are probably just slightly edited >> versions of some few paleo-scripts. > > in

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Danny McPherson
On 2014-10-25 08:25, John Curran wrote: With respect to IRR support, the same answer applies. If the community is clear on direction, ARIN can strengthen the current IRR offerings, phase them out and redirect folks to existing solutions, or any other direction as desired. The hardest part is

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread John Curran
On Oct 23, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Danny McPherson wrote: > > On 2014-10-23 12:33, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> Sounds like you want to see the rirs make sure they get rpki work >> dine and widely available with the least encumbrances on the network >> operator community as possible. > > Or focus o

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Danny McPherson wrote: > On 2014-10-24 15:24, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> it seems to me that there are a couple simple issues with IRR data >> (historically): >> 1) no authority for it (really, at least in the ARIN region) >> 2) no common practice of keeping i

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Sandra Murphy
Other RIR based RIRs have the same ability to protect prefixes in their realm of control. (See RFC 2725 RPSS)(*) (I think that APNIC is doing pretty much as RIPE is.) Even RIPE is not secure for prefixes outside their region. (There's one maintainer that anyone can use to register anything

Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

2014-10-25 Thread Danny McPherson
On 2014-10-24 15:24, Christopher Morrow wrote: it seems to me that there are a couple simple issues with IRR data (historically): 1) no authority for it (really, at least in the ARIN region) 2) no common practice of keeping it updated 3) proxy-registration issues (probably part of cleanup

Re: A translation (was Re: An update from the ICANN ISPCP meeting...)

2014-10-25 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 03:13:48PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: > Though I've no doubt someone out there imagines improving the quality > of the database would help with spam I tend to doubt it. It might. So would removing the farce of 'private' domain registration. What would also help is removing