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2013-08-21 Thread John Zettlemoyer
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Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
Omnibus reply warning. Skip this one unless you're really into IXP trivia. On Aug 21, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> - New participation is not too rigorously constrained (at least a >> domestic ISP new market entrant should be able to participate) > > imiho, it is also nice if non-i

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Christopher Morrell
I would hope that at least the 3 largest cities in Canada (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver) should be able to sustain IXPs. Hopefully Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg too considering the size of their populations and their distance from the largest 3 cities. On 2013-08-21, at 13:27, "William F. Ma

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Clayton Zekelman
At 01:15 PM 21/08/2013, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: Facility neutrality especially. If the IXP is inside a non-neutral DC, it and its peers are always under constant threat of being squeezed out or shutdown by any number of circumstances. If the co-lo business were separate from the f

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: IIRC, Albuquerque has NMIX which I think was setup as for-profit. (John Brown are you still here?) Well over a decade ago now, my recollection is fuzzy. I don't recall the reasoning in choosing for-profit over nont-for-profit. [NMIX

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Bill Woodcock" > On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > >> Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are > >> things > >> that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be > >> exchanges. > > > > glad it's all so

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:10:32PM -0400, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote: > > >Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest could run > >a non-member driven exchange point successfully as long as they had > >pricing and policie

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Randy Bush wrote: and i would add carrier neutrality, i can haul fiber from anyone into the exchange. this is pretty critical in the exchanges where i have played. Facility neutrality especially. If the IXP is inside a non-neutral DC, it and its peers are always under c

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread John Osmon
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:10:32PM -0400, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote: > > >Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest > >could run a non-member driven exchange point successfully as long > >as they had pricing and policies

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > New IXP founders typically contact our staff > > wow! i did not know we had the ixp god here! lemme go back to my > camera-ready dreadline. :) > > > - Three or more participants > > - Shared layer-2 switch fabric across which participants

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Clayton Zekelman wrote: Just wondering aloud if an ISP that did have commercial interest could run a non-member driven exchange point successfully as long as they had pricing and policies that were similar to member driven exchange points. Vey interesting that you rai

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Randy Bush
> New IXP founders typically contact our staff wow! i did not know we had the ixp god here! lemme go back to my camera-ready dreadline. :) > - Three or more participants > - Shared layer-2 switch fabric across which participants peer with > each other, exchanging customer routes > - New part

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Clayton Zekelman
At 10:21 AM 21/08/2013, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote The Peer1 setups remind me very much of what Group Telecom (defunct Canadian backbone provider) did in the very late 90's and the very early part of the last decade. They had them in nearly every city they had their facilities, but the

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are things >> that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be >> exchanges. > > glad it's all so black and white, well grey. :) When different people are asserting di

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Randy Bush wrote: In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1? Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least, that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked. that is not an exchange. most isps have switches in their trans

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/21/13 6:56 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > but how do you represent seattle colonolizing bc? "keep your potatoes out of my pig." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War > > randy >

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Randy Bush
> Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are things > that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be > exchanges. glad it's all so black and white, well grey. :) as i use an old fashioned mail reader, it's all (set-foreground-color "navajo white") to me

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1? >> Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least, >> that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked. > > that is not an exchange. most isps have swi

RE: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Jacques Latour
The main reason we are collecting feedback for Vancouver is that both VANTX and PIX are not member based IXP organizations, VANTX is owned and operated by BCnet, a R&E organization, and PIX is owned and operated by Peer1. We heard from a few people in Vancouver that they would like to have a tru

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Jonathan Stewart wrote: You named 2 IXPs, and only got one right. A year ago, there were two active: TORIX in Toronto, and OTTIX in Ottawa. Ottawa is too close to Toronto to have an impact, so OTTIX has remained small. Having only 2 open That's not entirely accurate. Th

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Randy Bush
>> In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1? > Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1 customers, I believe. At least, > that's how it worked in Toronto the last time I looked. that is not an exchange. most isps have switches in their transit infrastructure. randy

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-08-21, at 6:40, Christopher Morrell wrote: > I think CANIX in Toronto has been dead for years. I used to operate the > switch for it in my days at UUNET in the 90s. Yes, very dead. > In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1? Peer1 exchanges are only open to Peer1

Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet

2013-08-21 Thread Christopher Morrell
I think CANIX in Toronto has been dead for years. I used to operate the switch for it in my days at UUNET in the 90s. In Montreal, is anyone at the Peer1 exchange other than Peer1? On 2013-08-20, at 23:14, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Christopher Morrell > wrote: >