Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/30/12, John Levine wrote: > Do you ever buy SSL certificates? For cheap certificates ($9 > Geotrust, $8 Comodo, free Startcom, all accepted by Gmail), the > entirety of the identity validation is to send an email message to an > address associated with the domain, typically one of the WHOIS

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread John Levine
>I would say those claiming certificates from a public CA provide no >assurance of authentication of server identity greater than that of a >self-signed one would have the burden of proof to show that it is no >less likely for an attempted forger to be able to obtain a false >"bought" certificate f

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 12/30/12, Keith Medcalf wrote: > Your assertion that using "bought" certificates provides any security > benefit whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. I would say those claiming certificates from a public CA provide no assurance of authentication of server identity greater than that of a s

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
While i will agree that the client being able to validate the certificate directly is the best place to be, I do not see any advantage of requiring purchased certificates over self-signed certificates.  IMO it provides no realistic security benefit at all. Then again I don't award points for  c

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > Your assertion that using "bought" certificates provides any security benefit > whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. > > Given recent failures in this space I would posit that the requirement to use > certificates purchased from entiti

Re: Gmail and SSL

2012-12-30 Thread Keith Medcalf
Your assertion that using "bought" certificates provides any security benefit whatsoever assumes facts not in evidence. Given recent failures in this space I would posit that the requirement to use certificates purchased from entities "under the thumb" of government control, clearly motivated o