Re: Cost of fiber run between neighbouring office buildings

2012-10-06 Thread Walter Keen
Where I work for a local telecommunications provider, we will not run any fiber smaller than 24 strand, and these days that is a drop into a building. When talking about single mode fiber, the cost per foot difference in 2, 8, or even 24 strand is typically a matter of less than $1 per foot. S

Re: names are not numbers, was IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM, John Levine wrote: > > > Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's lose this silly phone number > portability nonsense and use phone numbers as routes. > You do not want to go down the hell hole that is SS7. -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474

Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 06:12:08PM -0400, Frank Kastenholz wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 6:39 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:14:41AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >>> Those who know Fred and knew Jon personal

Re: names are not numbers, was IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread John Levine
In article <20592.28334.622769.539...@world.std.com> you write: >It's occured to you that FQDNs contain some structured information, >no? Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's lose this silly phone number portability nonsense and use phone numbers as routes. I mean, anyone who moves and takes his ce

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html >>> Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to >>> automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP >>> neigbhors. >> >> you actually have to look at that web page > > If you're seeing the same pag

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Vasil Kolev
В 16:22 -0700 на 06.10.2012 (сб), Randy Bush написа: > >> http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html > > Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to > > automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP > > neigbhors. > > you actually have to look

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Randy Bush
>> http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html > Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to > automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP > neigbhors. you actually have to look at that web page

Re: 100.100.0.0/24

2012-10-06 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 10:24:18AM -0500, Ben Bartsch wrote: > use this: > > http://www.team-cymru.org/Services/Bogons/bgp.html Please tell me how I can configure my router to use that feed to automatically reject any bogon advertisements I receive from other BGP neigbhors. > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Cutler James R
On Oct 6, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Barry Shein wrote, in part: > > We can map from host names to ip addresses to routing actions, right? > > So clearly they're not unrelated or independent variables. There's a > smooth function from hostname->ipaddr->routing. I would suggest that this is a bit optimis

Re: max-prefix and platform tcam limits: they are things

2012-10-06 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, jim deleskie wrote: Just ask yourself how many times you have seen a Godaddy IP/NOC person post anything to NANOG or to any other technical forum? -Hank Yes that math would work, but if your device can't handle 1x Internet routing and your running without some serious max

RE: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread nanog
My money is on an epic troll. Four out of five network engineers surveyed agree their individual IP headers are best served without condiments. -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:06 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: IPv4 address length

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
Well, George, you can take a new idea and run with it a bit, or just resist it right from the start. We can map from host names to ip addresses to routing actions, right? So clearly they're not unrelated or independent variables. There's a smooth function from hostname->ipaddr->routing. Take an

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread George Herbert
As I said earlier, names' structure does not map to network or physical location structure. DNS is who; IP is where. Both are reasonably efficient now as separate entities. Combining them will wreck one. You're choosing to wreck routing (where), which to backbone people sounds frankly stark

Re: IPv4 address length technical design

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
It's occured to you that FQDNs contain some structured information, no? -b On October 5, 2012 at 21:47 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > 5. Bits is bits. > > I don't know how to say that more clearly. > > Hi Barry, > > Bi

Re: news.google.com (and others)?

2012-10-06 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Barry Shein wrote: > > This has been going on for days. > > We couldn't get thru to news.google.com but most everything else > works. Once in a while it works. > > Connection is through towerstream.com. Traceroute usually seems to go > through, sometimes dies somew

news.google.com (and others)?

2012-10-06 Thread Barry Shein
This has been going on for days. We couldn't get thru to news.google.com but most everything else works. Once in a while it works. Connection is through towerstream.com. Traceroute usually seems to go through, sometimes dies somewhere out there past their network (72.14...? maybe abovenet?), no

Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 10:14:41AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Those who know Fred and knew Jon personally might want to throw an oar in > > the > > water on this blog posting from last month... > > > > http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4591 > > not sure

Re: ESR muses on, among other things, the early IETF

2012-10-06 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 06/10/2012 03:20, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Those who know Fred and knew Jon personally might want to throw an oar in the > water on this blog posting from last month... > > http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4591 not sure if it's appropriate to associate some of the prime movers of the Internet with a c