Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-30 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 10/30/2011 8:36 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: So you support filtering end-user outbound SMTP sessions as this is a means to prevent misuse of the Commons*. Correct? If it is acceptable to have the receiving SMTP server at one end of a connection do filtering -- and it is -- then why wouldn'

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-30 Thread Brian Johnson
On Oct 30, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > Email travels over shared resources. Spam consumes roughly %95 percent of > that shared path (comm lines and servers). Receiving operators must devote > masses of resources to filter that firehose of mostly junk, in order to get > every

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-30 Thread William Herrin
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > Your misunderstanding of physical pollution pollutes your understanding of > spam.  But it turns out that you seem to misunderstand spam quite a bit, > independently. Okay wise guy. Let's take another look at your version of email spam as pol

Re: XSServer / Taking down a spam friendly provider

2011-10-30 Thread Kyle Creyts
I would agree that at the moment, we exist in what is supposed to be a "self-policing" community. How long will it stay so, if livelihoods are jeopardized? Some are paid to move bits, and consider that their only obligation. Others are charged with operating services that are impacted by the afore

Today is Dennis Ritchie Day

2011-10-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
So saith Tim O'Reilly, and I think he's entitled... http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/10/dennis-ritchie-day.html Happy landings, Dennis. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-30 Thread Dave CROCKER
Bill, Your misunderstanding of physical pollution pollutes your understanding of spam. But it turns out that you seem to misunderstand spam quite a bit, independently. On 10/27/2011 9:26 PM, William Herrin wrote: If you throw pollution into the air, it may eventually impact me or it may blo

Re: XSServer / Taking down a spam friendly provider

2011-10-30 Thread Chris
See, since I emailed this - RIPE wants feedback and sent me an email offlist! I'll gladly give them an earful about how RIPE address ranges are starting to be notorious for abuse due to lack of valid WHOIS information and lack of response from so-called abuse departments. I would like to thank Mr.

Re: Outgoing SMTP Servers

2011-10-30 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Valdis Kletnieks" > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:22 -, Brian Johnson said: > > So... I'm in complete agreement with your statement, but The > > Wikipedia reference is not pertinent. > > So I point out the tragedy of the commons, you agree with it, but the

Re: Colocation providers and ACL requests

2011-10-30 Thread Mike Gatti
I tend to disagree somewhat, you really have to put some context around the request and convey that to your provider. If the request is "please help me block this DDoS traffic so that I can contact the source as it's impacting my ability to do business" I think that is a reasonable request as lo

Re: Need photographs of IT/Telecom gear/rooms

2011-10-30 Thread JC Dill
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