Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: Verizon Business - LTE? Date: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49:38AM -0400 Quoting chris (tknch...@gmail.com): > Overall, IMO the trends are just seem to be going backwards. We have more > speed but we can use it less? What kind of technology advancement is that? > > I've had "unlimited" gp

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/16/2011 02:33 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > How do you guys find time for all this? I live in a smallish apartment that doesn't require much cleaning and have a room mate who handles all the errands/logistics in exchange for free rent and access to my awesome lab. Been doing this for a few y

Re: Cogent --> Google Public DNS routing issue

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Robert Glover wrote: > Hello, > > We have noticed that from our Cogent link (as well as from ALL U.S. based > points we tested via the Cogent Looking Glass: > http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass), traceroutes to 8.8.8.8 > and 8.8.5.5 all seem to go ov

Re: Cogent --> Google Public DNS routing issue

2011-08-16 Thread Dave Pooser
On 8/16/11 11:09 PM, "Robert Glover" wrote: >What is going on here? Cogent finally depeered the entire US? :^) -- Dave Pooser Manager of Information Services Alford Media http://www.alfordmedia.com

Cogent --> Google Public DNS routing issue

2011-08-16 Thread Robert Glover
Hello, We have noticed that from our Cogent link (as well as from ALL U.S. based points we tested via the Cogent Looking Glass: http://www.cogentco.com/en/network/looking-glass), traceroutes to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.5.5 all seem to go over to Europe: TRACE from Los Angeles to 8.8.4.4 1 gi2-6.99.mp

RE: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-16 Thread Doug Marschke
I know we are just talking about the core, but out of curiosity will you have any MPLS/BGP VPNS that you may want to run the IGP over. In this case, OSPF may make a little more sense. However if you are really just talking the core, I would agree with the rest of the list, as the decoupling of

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread Jima
On 2011-08-16 20:07, Alex Rubenstein wrote: All the actual EE's I know are most impressed with the PowerWare (now Eaton Power) designs. Most EE's don't deal with day to day operations of datacenters. That may be, but I can personally attest that they're often consulted when UPSes for missio

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:07:15PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > Most EE's don't deal with day to day operations of datacenters. > > We have been a long time (14 years) user of Exide / Powerware / Invensys / > Eaton UPS systems. I have many 9315 and 9395's, ranging from 80

RE: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread Alex Rubenstein
> All the actual EE's I know are most impressed with the PowerWare (now > Eaton Power) designs. For insance their 5110 is a line-interactive > design built with quality components. The last I looked APC did not > have a line-interactive design in this price range; they were all the > "standby" de

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 05:17:09PM -0500, Charles N Wyble wrote: > What kind of UPS? Seems most here prefer APC. Perhaps that's a topic for > another thread... If you want products available at the local big box retailer APC is pretty much the only quality choice. If you're

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-16 Thread Paul
On 08/16/2011 12:55 PM, Tomas Lynch wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Justin M. Streiner< strei...@cluebyfour.org> wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, jim deleskie wrote: Having run both on some good sized networks, I can tell you to run what your ops folks know best. We can debate all day

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > What kind of UPS? Seems most here prefer APC. Perhaps that's a topic for > another thread... I can usually get used APC SmartUPSes on the cheap. When the batteries go bad or are removed, they play dead. They don't turn themselves off, but

Re: OSPF vs IS-IS

2011-08-16 Thread Tomas Lynch
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Justin M. Streiner < strei...@cluebyfour.org> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, jim deleskie wrote: > > Having run both on some good sized networks, I can tell you to run >> what your ops folks know best. We can debate all day the technical >> merits of one v anothe

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/16/2011 03:28 PM, William Warren wrote: > On 8/12/2011 7:28 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: >> Hey all, >> > I have one rack of stuff..:) Not Enough! We will be removing you now from the list that is. :) > I then have my tower(custom build) and ups on another shelf. What kind of UPS? Seem

Re: personal backup

2011-08-16 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of August 13, 2011 2:12:24 PM +0900, Randy Bush is alleged to have said: charles skipped what i see as a highly critical question, personal backup. --As for the rest, it is mine. Personal system: Important files are on the fileserver, on a RAID-Z volume. It's backed up nightly using Ta

livebgp.routeviews.org

2011-08-16 Thread John Kemp
We enabled an additional client BGPMON node. The sources are local collectors and the collectors peering at the Colorado State BGPMON site. Output is XML formatted UPDATE and RIB messages. ex. telnet livebgp.routeviews.org 50001 ex. telnet lievbgp.routeviews.org 50002 See also: http://bgpmon.ne

Re: IPv6 Real World Maturity (was re: How long is your rack?)

2011-08-16 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/14/2011 17:43, Tim Wilde wrote: > On a serious note, though, really, what DOES it say about the real-world > maturity / actual chances of adoption for IPv6 that Charles' statement > above is, in fact, true? Someone else has already pointed out

Re: NANOGers home data centers - What's in your closet?

2011-08-16 Thread William Warren
On 8/12/2011 7:28 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Hey all, I'm curious what other NANOGers have in their home compute centers? On the extreme end of course we have mr morris :) with his uber lab: http://smorris.uber-geek.net/lab.htm I've got the following: Production rack (4 post AV rack) From to

Bluehost/Hostmonster IPv6 SMTP black hole?

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Pilkington
Can someone from Bluehost/Hostmonster contact me off list. One of your customers has complained to me that they cannot send mail to us. We've done some testing, and it seems it works to mailservers with only A records, but breaks with mailservers with both A and . (As in, we never even see a de

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 16, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > On Aug 16, 2011 9:41 AM, wrote: >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:53:24 EDT, Christopher Morrow said: >> >>> anyway, they do these donkey things because they can :( people have no >>> real option (except not to play the game, ala war games). >>

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 16-Aug-11 10:49, chris wrote: > If my edge from 5+ years ago could 3gb/day and 90gb a month how is 4G at 5gb > an improvement of the service? Who said the goal was an improvement in /service/? Based on their actions, it is quite clear that carriers are only interested technology or contract t

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Lynda
On 8/16/2011 10:25 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: Really, any phone you buy free and clear without subsidy and contract should work fine as a phone with a prepaid sim except for the fact that mobile carriers CAN do these monkey business

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > Really, any phone you buy free and clear without > subsidy and contract should work fine as a phone with a prepaid sim except for the fact that mobile carriers CAN do these monkey business moves (note that tmo seems to NOT do these things,

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Aug 16, 2011 9:41 AM, wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:53:24 EDT, Christopher Morrow said: > > > anyway, they do these donkey things because they can :( people have no > > real option (except not to play the game, ala war games). > > My brother recently tried to get a smartphone without a data

Re: TDM voice DOS

2011-08-16 Thread harbor235
the complication is that the the attack victim is not IP .. Can't turn up a firewall or router to mitigate. mike On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: > On 08/16/2011 11:46 AM, harbor235 wrote: > >> Anyone been involved with TDM voice DOS attacks? My thoughts are that

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread David Miller
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:29:13AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: PCMag did the math, you can use up the 5GB alotment in 32 minut

Re: TDM voice DOS

2011-08-16 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 08/16/2011 11:46 AM, harbor235 wrote: Anyone been involved with TDM voice DOS attacks? My thoughts are that if the phone call originates as an IP call somewhere in the wild, then typical abuse security incident notifications may help in the interim. Indeed. Though I suppose it depends on whe

TDM voice DOS

2011-08-16 Thread harbor235
Anyone been involved with TDM voice DOS attacks? My thoughts are that if the phone call originates as an IP call somewhere in the wild, then typical abuse security incident notifications may help in the interim. At least potentially identify through customer records or make them move on where they

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:53:24 EDT, Christopher Morrow said: > anyway, they do these donkey things because they can :( people have no > real option (except not to play the game, ala war games). My brother recently tried to get a smartphone without a data plan (as the phone he wanted was also Wifi-c

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM, chris wrote: > Overall, IMO the trends are just seem to be going backwards. We have more > speed but we can use it less? What kind of technology advancement is that? I think you're thinking of this the wrong way 'round ... the carriers are doing better:) see, it'

All address block holders - Please Verify Your Abuse POCs

2011-08-16 Thread John Curran
Folks - If you or your organization hold address blocks, please take the time to set the Abuse point-of-contact (POC) for your organization as soon as possible. Information from the Tech contact will be used for your organization's Abuse contact if an Abuse contact is not added to the reco

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread chris
Overall, IMO the trends are just seem to be going backwards. We have more speed but we can use it less? What kind of technology advancement is that? I've had "unlimited" gprs, edge, 3g, and never really seen any kind of actual cap. Sure they were slower but I didn't have to worry about getting sur

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:29:13AM -0400, Christopher > Morrow wrote: >> > PCMag did the math, you can use up the 5GB alotment in 32 minutes >> > with LTE.  Seems like as the speeds get faster the cap should get >> > lar

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Joe Greco
> --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > In a message written on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:34:50PM -0400, Christopher = > Morrow wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, chris wrote: > > > I

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:29:13AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > PCMag did the math, you can use up the 5GB alotment in 32 minutes > > with LTE.  Seems like as the speeds get faster the cap should get > > larger, doesn't it? > > airtime is still the same price for the

RE: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Eric Wieling
As I understand it, data on a smartphone is "unlimited", but data on a non-phone device (called Broadband Access) is capped at 5GB. At one time if you went over 5GB on a "broadband access" account they simply terminated your account. This happened to me. Then a class action lawsuit happene

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:34:50PM -0400, Christopher > Morrow wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, chris wrote: >> > I've apparently hit some kind of magic bw limit. My 4G LTE is now magically >> > fixed at max

Re: Verizon Business - LTE?

2011-08-16 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 11:34:50PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM, chris wrote: > > I've apparently hit some kind of magic bw limit. My 4G LTE is now magically > > fixed at max 1.5mbps > > > > Last month's usage was about 200gb. > > > > cm

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] > Sent: 16 August 2011 11:57 > To: Leigh Porter > Cc: Bryan Irvine; Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX); nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:03 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > >

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Greg Ihnen
On Aug 16, 2011, at 3:03 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Bryan Irvine [mailto:sparcta...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 August 2011 17:42 >> To: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: How long is your rack? >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] > Sent: 16 August 2011 08:37 > To: Leigh Porter > Cc: North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > > I really do not want 18 months of research to vanish. > > a fool and his data are soon

Re: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Randy Bush
> I really do not want 18 months of research to vanish. a fool and his data are soon parted -- monty williams, a co-worker about 1990

RE: How long is your rack?

2011-08-16 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: Bryan Irvine [mailto:sparcta...@gmail.com] > Sent: 15 August 2011 17:42 > To: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: How long is your rack? > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) > wrote: > > I ho