Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Carl Rosevear wrote: > Yeah, so... the thing is there really are benefits to ham radio for > the community. I 100% believe in that. And yes, there are a lot of > neck beards but, honestly, look at some pictures from a NANOG meeting! > ;) > Indeed, there is a club

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Thu, May 26, 2011, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >Sorry, poorly worded. What I was wondering is there is an equivalent of > >KA9Q for IPv6. I believe one of the comments we got back when we were > >trying to reclaim 44/8 was that folks couldn't migrate to IPv6 because > >no software was availab

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Sorry, poorly worded. What I was wondering is there is an equivalent of KA9Q for IPv6. I believe one of the comments we got back when we were trying to reclaim 44/8 was that folks couldn't migrate to IPv6 because no software was available... We've come a little way since NOS. Linux has nati

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
On May 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: > > Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? > Well there's a loaded question. ... > I won't say that there aren't "ham devices" with an IP stack built in, but I > think we're talking about different layers here. Sorry, poorly worde

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Wil Schultz
On May 26, 2011 7:54 PM, "David Conrad" wrote: > > On May 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: > > There are some similarities between bands and ipv4 exhaustion, sure... One > > major difference is that those using ipv4 have the option of using ipv6, > > Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stac

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
On May 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Wil Schultz wrote: > There are some similarities between bands and ipv4 exhaustion, sure... One > major difference is that those using ipv4 have the option of using ipv6, Out of curiosity, is there an IPv6 stack for ham devices? Regards, -drc

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Wil Schultz
On May 26, 2011 3:08 PM, "Jaime Magiera" wrote: > > > >from our cold dead hands. > > > kd8mzn > I haven't read the entire thread, but since everyone with a call sign is checking in... There are some similarities between bands and ipv4 exhaustion, sure... One major difference is that th

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-26 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On May 27, 2011, at 9:12 AM, wrote: > What do you do on Patch Tuesday? For that matter, what do you do when the latest 'cool' YouTube video go viral, or Amazon offer the next Lady GaGa album on sale for $0.99, or people with iDevices download the latest 300MB+ FPS for their devices (there a

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-26 Thread David Swafford
Hi Adam, >From the perspective of an enterprise customer, if we're talking strictly Internet circuits, you're over-subscription estimates seem very conservative to me. On our 100mb/s Internet circuits, our average utilization is about 40mb/s down and 15-20mb/s up on any given day. David. On

Re: Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 26 May 2011 23:48:48 BST, Adam Armstrong said: > Finally, what do people think of selling a 1G service with 1G backhaul > (and potentially 10s or 100s of customers buying this service alongside > n*100s of customers with 100M service)? Depends what weasel words you put in your SLA, I su

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
I still have my TNC here on the shelf... not much use for pushing bits, but still handy to decode SCADA on 900mhz ;-) -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) < marcus.sa...@verizon.com> wrote: > > Since we are turning the clock backI launched my first AX.25

RE: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc)
Since we are turning the clock backI launched my first AX.25 node in 1985 when I was living at Ft. Belvoir, VA. It was part of the 144 MHz "eastlink" network that ran from Maine to Miami. Somewhere on a 5-1/2" floppy disk I have an ASCII map of that network. You really could hear the p

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Carl Rosevear
Yeah, so... the thing is there really are benefits to ham radio for the community. I 100% believe in that. And yes, there are a lot of neck beards but, honestly, look at some pictures from a NANOG meeting! ;) I have been massively inactive in Amateur Radio for some time. I miss it. However I

Contention/Oversubscription maths

2011-05-26 Thread Adam Armstrong
Hi All, Do any of you have any pointers on how to go about predicting usage for high-speed ethernet access? I'm running 1GE links into buildings, and hanging many (100-1000) 100M customers off switches in the basement, simple enough. I'm assuming ~300Kbps average peak usage per customer, bu

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jaime Magiera
On May 26, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: > I reckon it'd be about as hard to get back 44/8 as 11/8, but with more > neckbeards. Anytime the fcc tries to reclaim frequencies all these guys come > out of the wood work with the magic phrase 'emergency communications' and > some congressmen g

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David Conrad wrote: > The decentralized nature of administration of 44/8 made this somewhat > intractable. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the future > address markets. > I reckon it'd be about as hard to get back 44/8 as 11/8, but with more ne

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread David Conrad
And I just want to point out that a full /8 (worth $188,911,452.16 at the benchmark rate as set by Microsoft/NNI) is dedicated to AMPR... :-) When I was at IANA, we (where by "we" I mean Leo Vegoda :-)) looked at trying to reclaim this /8 around the same time we were recovering the /8 dedicated

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Carl Rosevear
Used to run IP over AX.25 using KA9Q JNOS back in the day. HF at 300 baud simplex / half-duplex and VHF 144 Mhz at 1200 with similar characteristics. I bought some 9600 baud gear at one point but never got it all put together before moving on to the regular internet and (somewhat unfortunately) n

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 25, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > > On May 26, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >>> >> >> Unfortunately, the FCC hasn't really allowed us to since it would be very >> hard to produce useful bandwidth by today's standards within the bounds >> of the spectrum we are a

Folks running DNS for .extranet.microsoft.com

2011-05-26 Thread Alexander O. Yuriev
Hello, If you are or you know whoever operates the DNS for infrastructure for .extranet.microsoft.com, could you kindly ping me off the list? You have had some icky bad ju-ju happening there for a few days. Alex

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Me personally? No, but I have used it. IP over 9600baud serial actually isn't that bad for IRC when you're in the middle of the woods and all. You want slow... read about winlink2000, the email/messaging system for hams and emergency response. It's PSK on HF, meant to be reliable but if you get mo

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-26 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Butterworth" > > I'll simply ask, _which_ of those channels will have that extra data > > stream > > that the head-end inserted? That the cable compmany doesn't know, or > > care, > > about, and *how* does it survive the de-multiplexing and re-coding

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: > Nope, mostly HF (under 30mhz) gear at 300baud. Yes, you read that right. You are running IP on this? And I though 1200 bauds half duplex was slow.

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Nope, mostly HF (under 30mhz) gear at 300baud. Yes, you read that right. I've seen a couple shorter hops of fractional T1 on 900mhz or 9600baud AX.25 on 144mhz, but there just aren't enough links to use line of site frequencies. Push mad bits, -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Chr

IPv6 Availability on XO

2011-05-26 Thread Ryan Malayter
We have 45 Mbps from XO in our downtown Chicago location in the financial district. We have asked for IPv6 every month for a while, and keep hearing "maybe soon" and not much else. Unfortunately, if we can't get it in that very competitive and dense market location, I doubt they offer it anywher

Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

2011-05-26 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > You just need to move up in frequency a bit. My slowest ham-band link runs at > 12 Mbps and my fastest at over 100 Mbps. > > Good reminder that I should renumber the IPv4 portion of that network to > somewhere in 44.0.0.0/8 however. What

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> NAME five consumer-grade commercial off the shelf products http://lmgtfy.com/?q=STB+PVR+ethernet > Proof: go to Titantv.com, select the 'digital cable' channel line-up for > 'Comcast areas 1, 4 & 5' in zipcode 60640 (chicago north side, lakefront). > and check the comcast channels in the range

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> No, we're pretty sure you're wrong there, probably because you're > purposely ignoring our *specific* characterization of the thing which > was actually done. I disagreed with two statements:- > > On the engineering side, _impossible_. Modern satellite > > feeds of NTSC (analog) TV signals u