Re: Yahoo and IPv6

:: >> In any case, the content side can mitigate all of the latency related issues :: >> they complain about in 6to4 by putting in a local 6to4 router and publishing :: >> the corresponding 2002:: prefix based address in DNS for their content. They :: >> choose to hold their breath and turn blue

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, 9 May 2011, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: :: Given the following posting from earlier this morning: :: :: > The location that's affecting the results is pending removal from DNS; :: > and ASAP we hope to have the name moved to the geo-LB that suppors v6, :: > instead of the round robin i

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Joel Maslak wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > I do take issue with your suggestion that /64 LANs are in any way >> smart in the datacenter.  They are not.  I have some slides on this >> topic: http://inconcepts.biz/~jsw/IPv6_NDP_Exhaus

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> >> On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said: Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thi

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <24499cc4-64a1-419c-ab06-08a82d535...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong > write > s: >> Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does >> seem you have some level of brokenness with your network, no? > > No. The p

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > > On May 9, 2011 6:11 PM, "Owen DeLong" wrote: > > > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner wrote: > > >> Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on t

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 05/09/2011 12:40, Tony Hain wrote: >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us] >>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM >>> To: Jared Mauch >>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner >>> Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:14:01 PDT, Owen DeLong said: > Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does seem > you > have some level of brokenness with your network, no? So if I retransmit because *your* router is down, it's a brokenness in *my* network? Given the followi

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said: >>> Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo >>> IPv6 help page... >>> >>> I have IPv6 con

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: I do take issue with your suggestion that /64 LANs are in any way > smart in the datacenter. They are not. I have some slides on this > topic: http://inconcepts.biz/~jsw/IPv6_NDP_Exhaustion.pdf There are ways of mitigating this (the easiest

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011 6:11 PM, "Owen DeLong" wrote: > > > On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner wrote: > >> Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo > >> IPv6 help page... > >> > >> I have IPv6 connectivity t

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

In message <24499cc4-64a1-419c-ab06-08a82d535...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong write s: > Well, if you're having to retransmit those intermittently, then, it does > seem you have some level of brokenness with your network, no? No. The point of retransmission is to provide reliable service over a unre

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Owen, On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > RIPE-NCC is probably next and I expect they will likely run out next month. Seems a bit improbable to me, considering: http://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph Regards, Martin

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 9:25 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said: >> Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo >> IPv6 help page... >> >> I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Cameron Byrne wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner wrote: >> Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo >> IPv6 help page... >> >> I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services >> (the onl

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On May 8, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html >> "Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011? >> No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 8, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Franck Martin wrote: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html > "Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011? > No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish our > content on both the IPv4 and IPv6 servers. Yahoo! i

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Re: Cent OS migration

On Mon, 9 May 2011 17:14:06 -0400 Lamar Owen wrote: > On Monday, May 09, 2011 04:45:36 PM Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Depends on what he is doing. BSDs tend to be far more mature than > > any Linux. They are poor systems for desktops or anything like > > that. They are heavily used as servers by man

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > I'd like to see more progress getting there than finger pointing. I would, too; but one harsh reality is that vendors are driven by RFPs, not by what they consciously know their customers will need in the near future. Why should vendors invest

Re: Finger pointing [was: Yahoo and IPv6]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Unfortunately, finger-pointing will not fix the problem. Actually, finger-pointing is very helpful at this stage. I was able to change my local ISP's tune from "we have enough IPv4 addresses for our customers, so we aren't going to supp

Re: Apologies, NANOG

> I appear to have somehow cross-posted a reply that was meant to go > to a different list entirely; no clue how I did that. Since people actually wanted to know, it was a reply to a "what might I encounter when migrating from SCO Unix to CentOS thread", which (mirabile visu) drifted somewhat in t

Re: Cent OS migration

On Monday, May 09, 2011 04:45:36 PM Kevin Oberman wrote: > Depends on what he is doing. BSDs tend to be far more mature than any > Linux. They are poor systems for desktops or anything like that. They > are heavily used as servers by many vary large providers and as the > basis for many products li

Apologies, NANOG

I appear to have somehow cross-posted a reply that was meant to go to a different list entirely; no clue how I did that. Now I understand the vehemence of the BSD-supporters. :-) Nothing to see here. Move along. Cheers, -- jra

Re: Cent OS migration

> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) > From: Jay Ashworth > > - Original Message - > > From: "Walter Vaughan" > > > You most definately will want to make sure your user id's are > > identical between the two systems, otherwise stuff like @CB will have wrong > > information. >

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > This problem is, and always has been, on the access side. Point your > fingers that way. +1 I think we're in a stage where the access networks are playing catch-up. The CPE marketplace is going to see some significant growth in sales in the s

Finger pointing [was: Yahoo and IPv6]

On May 9, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> I do agree with you that pointing fingers at this stage is really not >> helpful. I continue to maintain that being supportive of those content >> networks that are willing to wade in is the rig

Re: Cent OS migration

Lori Jakab wrote: following article for a collection of links why that's the case: http://evilrouters.net/2011/04/11/its-time-to-move-on-from-centos/ That article perfectly illustrates why using or moving to debian makes a lot of sense. Greetings, Jeroen -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > I do agree with you that pointing fingers at this stage is really not > helpful. I continue to maintain that being supportive of those content > networks that are willing to wade in is the right answer. Frankly, I think the finger is simply poi

Re: Cent OS migration

> *Any* of the BSDs are so much less well supported that they'll drive you > straight up a wall. > If by "less supported" you mean that your local strip mall doesn't offer a "BSD-certified-systems-engineer" class, then yeah .. but like anything else, experience in the tricker stuff is going to

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On 05/09/2011 12:40, Tony Hain wrote: -Original Message- From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM To: Jared Mauch Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6 On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote: I do feel the bar that Yahoo i

Re: Cent OS migration

On 5/9/11 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Walter Vaughan" > >> You most definately will want to make sure your user id's are >> identical between the two systems, otherwise stuff like @CB will have wrong >> information. > > Excellent point. > >> Also, do

Re: Cent OS migration

On 05/09/2011 08:58 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > CentOS and SuSE 11 are the only rational free Linuces for business use. With the uncertainty surrounding the future of CentOS, it's not something I would recommend for business use at the moment. See the following article for a collection of links why

Re: Cent OS migration

Original Message - > From: "Brant I. Stevens" > >CentOS and SuSE 11 are the only rational free Linuces for business > >use. > > Don't forget Scientific Linux as well. Same heritage as CentOS. "Scientific Linux? What's that?" :-) And while there's probably nothing wrong with the OS o

RE: Yahoo and IPv6

> -Original Message- > From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@dougbarton.us] > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:11 PM > To: Jared Mauch > Cc: nanog@nanog.org; Arie Vayner > Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6 > > On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote: > > I do feel the bar that Yahoo is setting is too high

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On 05/09/2011 10:27, Jared Mauch wrote: I do feel the bar that Yahoo is setting is too high. There are a lot of network elements that are broken, either DNS servers, home 'gateway/nat' devices, or other elements in the delegation chain. Publicly held corporations are responsible to their sha

Re: Cent OS migration

- Original Message - > From: "Walter Vaughan" > You most definately will want to make sure your user id's are > identical between the two systems, otherwise stuff like @CB will have wrong > information. Excellent point. > Also, do you have any expertise maintaing a linux box? If you wa

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Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On May 9, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I have talked to Yahoo engineers about this and they say that their > testing has shown that, if it takes more than 3 seconds for a site to > load, they start to lose significant traffic. Hence the 3 second > timeout. > > Sadly, I'm afraid that

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On 5/9/2011 08:16, Arie Vayner wrote: > Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo > IPv6 help page... > > I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services > (the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tried to > run

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo IPv6 help page... Not speaking in any official capacity, but .. thanks. The location that's affecting the results is pending removal from DNS; and ASAP we hope to have the name moved to the geo-LB that suppors v6, inste

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

I believe the problem Yahoo is talking about in regards to "broken" IPv6 networks. It really comes down to your network would break for 0.078% of the people trying to reach their site via IPv6. Broken in this case means; "the user has a broken home gateway, or a broken firewall or his We

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

> From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu > Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 12:25:55 -0400 > > On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said: > > Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo > > IPv6 help page... > > > > I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can r

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, 09 May 2011 18:16:20 +0300, Arie Vayner said: > Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo > IPv6 help page... > > I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services > (the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, 9 May 2011, Arie Vayner wrote: What disturbs me is the piece saying "We recommend disabling IPv6 ", with a very easy link... Even more disturbing than

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Arie Vayner wrote: > Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo > IPv6 help page... > > I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services > (the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tr

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Actually, I have just noticed a slightly more disturbing thing on the Yahoo IPv6 help page... I have IPv6 connectivity through a HE tunnel, and I can reach IPv6 services (the only issue is that my ISP's DNS is not IPv6 enabled), but I tried to run the "Start IPv6 Test" tool at http://help.yahoo.co

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:01, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 5/9/11 5:06 AM, TJ wrote: > > Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that > approach. > > > > I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the > last > > step in making their public services IPv6 re

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

On 5/9/11 5:06 AM, TJ wrote: > Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that approach. > > I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the last > step in making their public services IPv6 reachable *... and that they also > start/continue/complete taking I

Re: Suspecious anycast prefixes

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Yaoqing(Joey) Liu wrote: >> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> > >> > On 2011-05-05, at 11:46, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 10:23:12PM -0500, Yaoqing(Joe

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Unfortunately, I suspect many organizations will be following that approach. I hope that some will instead see this as a great opportunity for the last step in making their public services IPv6 reachable *... and that they also start/continue/complete taking IPv6 within their internal networks as

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

Franck Martin wrote: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/ipv6/general/ipv6-05.html "Will IPv6 become a permanent change on June 8, 2011? No. World IPv6 day is a 24-hour trial period in which we will publish our content on both the IPv4 and IPv6 servers. Yahoo! is participating in order to help prep