Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 4/7/11 8:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > Otherwise some kind of routing must be implemented on hosts. Some kind of routing is already implemented on hosts. >>> honto??? >> your mobile phone is multihomed, as is this laptop I'm typing on. > > routing != multihomed it's not an autonomous sys

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Randy Bush
Otherwise some kind of routing must be implemented on hosts. >>> Some kind of routing is already implemented on hosts. >> honto??? > your mobile phone is multihomed, as is this laptop I'm typing on. routing != multihomed try rfc 1812 randy

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 4/7/11 8:13 PM, Tom Limoncelli wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> There is no need for NAT in order to multiple-home. BGP is every bit as >> effective and much simpler. >> > > I know a lot of small businesses with one FiOS link and one Comcast > link and I don't t

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 4/7/11 7:53 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Otherwise some kind of routing must be implemented on hosts. >> Some kind of routing is already implemented on hosts. > > honto??? > your mobile phone is multihomed, as is this laptop I'm typing on.

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Tom Limoncelli
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > There is no need for NAT in order to multiple-home. BGP is every bit as > effective and much simpler. > I know a lot of small businesses with one FiOS link and one Comcast link and I don't think they're going to be able to do BGP. Their provi

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RE: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Jason Baugher [mailto:ja...@thebaughers.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:15 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra > cash > > We had someone come into a cell site and strip out all the outside >

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Owen DeLong
Sent from my iPad On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > > Michel de Nostredame wrote on 07/04/2011 22:30: >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Daniel STICKNEY >> wrote: >> >>> I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines >>> (different ISPs)

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Randy Bush
>> Otherwise some kind of routing must be implemented on hosts. > Some kind of routing is already implemented on hosts. honto???

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Jason Baugher wrote: We had someone come into a cell site and strip out all the outside ground leads. Oddly enough they left the ground bars themselves, which would have been much more worthwhile. Maybe they came unprepared and only had clippers. Every once in awhile there

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Jima
On 4/7/2011 2:16 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Babushkas can be quite mean, though mostly it's shopping bags that are their preferred tools of assault. ;-) As the recipient of a number of umbrella tips while trying to catch up to my fiancee (at th

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 2011-04-07, at 17:07, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou wrote: > Otherwise some kind of routing must be implemented on hosts. Some kind of routing is already implemented on hosts. Joe

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4d9e27a5.3040...@forthnet.gr>, Tassos Chatzithomaoglou writes: > > Michel de Nostredame wrote on 07/04/2011 22:30: > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Daniel STICKNEY wr > ote: > > > >> I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines > >> (different ISPs),

Re: v6 Avian Carriers?

2011-04-07 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Valdis Kletnieks" > On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:12 PDT, Jeroen van Aart said: > > Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) wrote: > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6214/ > > > > That RFC is the opposite of funny (to me). Just because rfc1149 is > > funny > > that doesn

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Jason Baugher
We had someone come into a cell site and strip out all the outside ground leads. Oddly enough they left the ground bars themselves, which would have been much more worthwhile. Maybe they came unprepared and only had clippers. Also, several years ago a building in our area was being renovated,

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011, Michael Thomas wrote: On 04/07/2011 11:54 AM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: This is common in the Netherlands too nowadays and other countries too I am sure. Because copper has gone up in price considerably. In the Netherlands especially copper lines along railroad tracks are re

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
Michel de Nostredame wrote on 07/04/2011 22:30: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Daniel STICKNEY wrote: I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines (different ISPs), and I wanted to see if this wheel has already been invented. Has anyone already set this up or tes

Re: v6 Avian Carriers?

2011-04-07 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 03:39:03PM -0400, Scott Brim wrote: > You need to specify "tail drop" behavior. It may be a Eurasian Hobby to make such silly statements, but to me it just seems like an Imperial Shag, and a waste of everyone's time. A Brown Kiwi once told me that the

Re: twitter is serving up errors

2011-04-07 Thread Jeroen van Aart
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:30:39 BST, Martin List-Petersen said: Ah well, you'd better have a LOT of storage space for your mailbox, if you subscribe to that :) Odd. I get more traffic on NANOG than on Outages. Now if you want a firehose list, go read linux-kernel

Re: v6 Avian Carriers?

2011-04-07 Thread Scott Brim
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 15:35, wrote: > On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:12 PDT, Jeroen van Aart said: > > Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) wrote: > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6214/ > > > > That RFC is the opposite of funny (to me). Just because rfc1149 is funny > > that doesn't mean that repetition

Re: v6 Avian Carriers?

2011-04-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:12 PDT, Jeroen van Aart said: > Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) wrote: > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6214/ > > That RFC is the opposite of funny (to me). Just because rfc1149 is funny > that doesn't mean that repetitions of it are funny too. Quite the contrary. Yes,

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Michel de Nostredame
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Daniel STICKNEY wrote: > I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines > (different ISPs), and I wanted to see if this wheel has already been > invented. Has anyone already set this up or tested it ? When you talking about "two DSL lines",

Re: v6 Avian Carriers?

2011-04-07 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Sachs, Marcus Hans (Marc) wrote: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6214/ That RFC is the opposite of funny (to me). Just because rfc1149 is funny that doesn't mean that repetitions of it are funny too. Quite the contrary. Greetings, Jeroen -- http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ ht

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Owen DeLong
Sent from my iPad On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: > Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access > > Babushkas can be quite mean, though mostly it's shopping bags that are their > preferred tools of assault. ;-

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Michael Thomas
On 04/07/2011 11:54 AM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: This is common in the Netherlands too nowadays and other countries too I am sure. Because copper has gone up in price considerably. In the Netherlands especially copper lines along railroad tracks are removed, disabling alert systems with obvious d

Re: Bubba is a 75 year old woman looking to make some extra cash

2011-04-07 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/06/georgian-woman-cuts-web-access Babushkas can be quite mean, though mostly it's shopping bags that are their preferred tools of assault. ;-) From TA: "The cable is owned by the Georgian railway network. It is heavily p

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/7/2011 02:27, Daniel STICKNEY wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines > (different ISPs), and I wanted to see if this wheel has already been > invented. Has anyone already set this up or tested it ? > > In my research into the proposed s

RE: Tsunami warning for north-east Japan

2011-04-07 Thread Masato YAMANISHI
The warning was released at 3:55PM in GMT, but local news says several number of people is injured again. Masato > -Original Message- > From: andrew.wallace [mailto:andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:14 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Tsunami warning fo

Tsunami warning for north-east Japan

2011-04-07 Thread andrew.wallace
A tsunami warning is issued for north-eastern Japan after an earthquake with a magnitude of 7.4 hits the region. Andrew

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Tomas Podermanski wrote: > Hi Daniel, >all IPv6 multihoming ideas are very theoretical today. None of them > is ready to use. Shim6 looks very good, but it requires support on both > a client and a server side. As you can guess, there is only experimental > support

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Tomas Podermanski
Hi Daniel, all IPv6 multihoming ideas are very theoretical today. None of them is ready to use. Shim6 looks very good, but it requires support on both a client and a server side. As you can guess, there is only experimental support for some operating systems. Microsoft and Apple doesn't support

Re: link-local address calculation

2011-04-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:18 AM, Vikas Sharma wrote: > Hi, > > How to get link-local address from BIA. I have seen some information > on Internet but it is not working for all. > Pretty simple: Split the BIA into two 24 bit chunks: cc000b / fc Then insert fffe in the middle:

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread isabel dias
have you thought about taking a Cisco training course? - Original Message From: Daniel STICKNEY To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:27:01 AM Subject: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites Hello all, I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IP

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread isabel dias
how many ip addresses do you have ? - Original Message From: Daniel STICKNEY To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:27:01 AM Subject: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites Hello all, I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lin

Re: LAGing backbone links

2011-04-07 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 07/04/2011 09:49, Daniel Roesen wrote: Interesting, as Fou^WBrocade's statement was that this is unfixable due to a chipset (which is Broadcom) limitation. I asked them about this exact point, but my SE said it was a software restriction which was fixed as of 4.2. Nick

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread isabel dias
why would you do that for? - Original Message From: Daniel STICKNEY To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 10:27:01 AM Subject: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites Hello all, I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines (diffe

Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-07 Thread Daniel STICKNEY
Hello all, I'm investigating how to setup multihoming for IPv6 over two DSL lines (different ISPs), and I wanted to see if this wheel has already been invented. Has anyone already set this up or tested it ? In my research into the proposed solutions I came across this document "IEEE Communicatio

Re: LAGing backbone links

2011-04-07 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 07:45:20AM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> I.e. a 2-member LAG might load balance equally under ideal conditions, > >> but a 3-member LAG might naturally load balance 2:2:1. > > > > Even newer gear does that. TurboIron 24X for example. > > I believe this has been fixed o

link-local address calculation

2011-04-07 Thread Vikas Sharma
Hi, How to get link-local address from BIA. I have seen some information on Internet but it is not working for all. = The BIA in this case is cc00.0bfc.. The rules for the modified EUI-64 addressing are: •FFFE will be put in between the vendor-id (3 most significant bytes) and th