Re: large icmp packet issue

2010-09-25 Thread fedora fedora
Thanks, the thing is How can i be sure even if a device blocks my ping , it might have policy blocking ping at it at all. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Sat Sep 25 > 21:56:30 2010 > > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:57:

Re: large icmp packet issue

2010-09-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Sat Sep 25 21:56:30 > 2010 > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:57:53 -0500 > Subject: large icmp packet issue > From: fedora fedora > To: nanog@nanog.org > > I am having problem getting ping to work to a specific destination host when > using large

large icmp packet issue

2010-09-25 Thread fedora fedora
I am having problem getting ping to work to a specific destination host when using large size icmp packet and i am hoping someone here can offer some suggestion. With regular ping, i can ping this remote host without any problem, but if i crank up the packet size to above 1500 (1500 still works),

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Jeff Kell
Games? Yes a few, but... Ever seen Skype on an open, non-NAT'ed internet connection? Capture some netflow on a self-promoted supernode sometime. Or seen Octoshape in action? Jeff

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Matthew Walster
On 26 September 2010 00:47, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I don't recall any protocols being standard. > > Plenty of people sell p2p caches but they all work using magic, smoke > and mirrors. I had the P4P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive_network_Provider_Participation_for_P2P) pointed out to me

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010, Matthew Walster wrote: > I once read an article talking about making BitTorrent scalable by > using anycasted caching services at the ISP's closest POP to the end > user. Given sufficient traffic on a specified torrent, the caching > device would build up the file, then distr

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Jeffrey S. Young
t On 26/09/2010, at 6:43 AM, Matthew Walster wrote: > On 25 September 2010 21:16, Rodrick Brown wrote: >> I think most people are aware that the Blizzard "World of WarcCraft" patcher >> distributes files through Bittorrent, > > > > I once read an article talking about making BitTorrent scala

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Sat Sep 25 17:00:42 > 2010 > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 00:01:38 +0200 > From: Jeroen Massar > To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu > Subject: Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth > Cc: NANOG > > On 2010-09-25 23:53, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 09:56:15PM +, khatfi...@socllc.net wrote: > Speaking to your example with Blizzard: It was not my example, I do not play Blizzard games. > The Blizzard downloader does provide an option to disable P2P > transfers which then downloads direct via http from Blizzard. Th

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2010-09-25 23:53, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:43:25 BST, Matthew Walster said: > >> Was anything ever standardised in that field? I imagine with much of >> P2P traffic being (how shall I put this...) less than legal, it's of >> questionable legality and the ISPs woul

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread khatfield
Speaking to your example with Blizzard: The Blizzard downloader does provide an option to disable P2P transfers which then downloads direct via http from Blizzard. Yes, the update software defaults to allow P2P but it isn't like they are forcing it upon their users. I have seen Sony do the sam

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:43:25 BST, Matthew Walster said: > Was anything ever standardised in that field? I imagine with much of > P2P traffic being (how shall I put this...) less than legal, it's of > questionable legality and the ISPs would not want to be held liable > for the content cached there

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 04:56:21PM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: > Are these companies not making enough in monthly subscriptions to > afford Akamai or similar CDN services to distribute their software > updates? If you read the article, you will see that Akami is one of the perpetrators, via the "Akam

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 04:16:46PM -0400, Rodrick Brown wrote: > I think most people are aware that the Blizzard "World of WarcCraft" patcher > distributes files through Bittorrent I personally love Bittorrent. It is wonderful for CDN - for both legal and not-so-legal files. I however despise the

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Rodrick Brown wrote: If you follow the links in the article people are complaining that the LotR process has served 70gb in a week, others are complaining that the service is resulting in 300ms pings, and unusable connections. This is a very grey area it will be interesting

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Matthew Walster
On 25 September 2010 21:16, Rodrick Brown wrote: > I think most people are aware that the Blizzard "World of WarcCraft" patcher > distributes files through Bittorrent, I once read an article talking about making BitTorrent scalable by using anycasted caching services at the ISP's closest POP to

Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-25 Thread Leo Woltz
I am looking for some guidance from the list. We will soon be deploying wireless payment devices (CDMA/GSM). We are looking at options on where to locate the servers that will run the backend payment gateways; we would like the least amount of latency between the servers and the wireless networks

Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-25 Thread Rodrick Brown
I think most people are aware that the Blizzard "World of WarcCraft" patcher distributes files through Bittorrent, however apparently a number of other MMO companies (LotR, Lego) are apparently doing something similar but aren't as upfront about it, and are installing Windows services which seed wh

MPLS service pricing

2010-09-25 Thread Peter H. Schmidt
This is a bit of a long shot, but I am wondering if anyone can share the prices they are seeing for MPLS service in North America? I will be happy to anonymize, collate and share back to the list for everyone's information. I am working on some economic modeling for enterprise WANs in NA,

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 9/24/10 5:28 PM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: >>> While this question has many dimensions and there is no real >>> definition of either I suspect that what many people mean when they >>> talk about a DC routers is: >> >>> From the datacenter operato

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Steven King
On 9/25/10 5:35 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 03:11:25AM -0400, Steven King wrote: >> Cisco uses their own ASICS is their higher end flag ship devices. >> Devices such as the Catalyst 6500 series or the 2960 switches. You >> pretty much singled out all the major pla

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/24/10 5:28 PM, Alex Rubenstein wrote: >> While this question has many dimensions and there is no real >> definition of either I suspect that what many people mean when they >> talk about a DC routers is: > >>From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of these >>vendor

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 03:11:25AM -0400, Steven King wrote: > Cisco uses their own ASICS is their higher end flag ship devices. > Devices such as the Catalyst 6500 series or the 2960 switches. You > pretty much singled out all the major players, including those who > have been bought out (Found

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-25 Thread Steven King
Cisco uses their own ASICS is their higher end flag ship devices. Devices such as the Catalyst 6500 series or the 2960 switches. You pretty much singled out all the major players, including those who have been bought out (Foundry by HP) and claimed they do not provide their own, yet 3rd party flaw