Re: async serial fiber transceivers

Christopher O'Brien wrote: Greetings, I am planning on deploying a console access server on my network for 20-30 network devices including routers, wireless controllers and other devices. The design is to have one central device for all console access. Due to the geographic diversity of my camp

Re: Juniper SSG-140, Monitoring and control the usage of the Internet

Yasir Munir Abbasi wrote: Hi, I have a SSG-140 Juniper Firewall. I need to ask, how can I Monitor the individual IP traffic? I mean I want to see who is taking more bandwidth. Please help me out. Thanks Yasir Munir Abbasi Senior Network Engineer EMail: y...@ciklum.net

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On 9/21/2010 2:53 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: On 9/21/2010 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx 1. Deer tend to hang out in little clearings while eating. Little clearings like the right of way clearing 25 or 50 feet on e

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

...and I used to live in parts of Virginia where rednecks took out signs with shotguns and no doubt now [if not run out by gentrification] take out fiber. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:59:03PM -0700, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: [snip] > Long story short, you can't account for stupid. ...and

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On 9/21/10 2:10 PM, Michael Painter wrote: > David DiGiacomo wrote: >> Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread >> shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do >> some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. >> Here in New Jersey it is

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

David DiGiacomo wrote: Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. Here in New Jersey it is illegal to use a rifle to hunt deer, so typically you

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 09:31:07AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: > > Yes they are -- content providers aren't getting their connections to > > the > > Internet for free (and if they are, how can I get me some of that?). > > Maybe I wasn't clear. Traffic is moving away from "transit" to direct > pee

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

> -Original Message- > From: Reese [mailto:re...@inkworkswell.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:36 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre > > At 11:39 21 09 10, Leslie wrote: > > >I don't think anyone is claiming all hunters/gun owners are

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:53:58PM -0500, Dantzig, Brian wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Positively Optimistic wrote: > > > Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable > management on > > 6509/6513 cisco switches? We're upgrading infrastructure in some of > our > > facilities,..

Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Positively Optimistic wrote: > Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable management on > 6509/6513 cisco switches? We're upgrading infrastructure in some of our > facilities,.. and until it came to cable management, the switches seemed to > be a great id

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On 9/21/2010 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx > 1. Deer tend to hang out in little clearings while eating. Little clearings like the right of way clearing 25 or 50 feet on each side of an electricity pylon. 2. Deer ar

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

At 11:39 21 09 10, Leslie wrote: I don't think anyone is claiming all hunters/gun owners are irresponsible, Re-read the article. "[h]unters" it said, not "some hunters" or "irresponsible hunters". How broad must the brush be, before you feel personally impugned and maligned? but, as with any

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 02:45:11PM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > What I have to wonder about is how often hunter-inflicted damage is > intentional > and located at the insulator (which makes for a good story) and how often it's > a totally accidental stray bullet nicking the cable many y

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. Here in New Jersey it is illegal to use a rifle to hunt deer, so typically you will find hunters using

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

> > Yes they are -- content providers aren't getting their connections to > > the > > Internet for free (and if they are, how can I get me some of that?). > > Maybe I wasn't clear. Traffic is moving away from "transit" to direct > peering at private exchanges in many cases. Since most exchanges

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:10:38 MDT, Kevin Neal said: > How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber > to repair it? I'm sure that the cable isn't low enough for them to reach it > without a ladder, bucket truck, helicopter all of which you don't pack > in on skis

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

I guess it depends on whether these are wooden poles or the metal towers that I find around here for long haul power. -Kevin On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mark Keymer wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > That is easy. "Tree Climbing Spurs / Tree Climbing Spikes" A quick > Google search found these for s

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

Hi Kevin, That is easy. "Tree Climbing Spurs / Tree Climbing Spikes" A quick Google search found these for sale. http://wesspur.com/spurs/spurs.html :) Sincerely, Mark Kevin Neal wrote: > How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber > to repair it? I'm sure th

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

How are the guys sent out on cross-country skis going to get up to the fiber to repair it? I'm sure that the cable isn't low enough for them to reach it without a ladder, bucket truck, helicopter all of which you don't pack in on skis... -Kevin On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Seth Mattin

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On 9/21/2010 10:52, Holmes,David A wrote: > Modern telephone pole aerial fiber uses all dialectric self-supporting > (ADSS) technology, where the self-supporting component consists > primarily of aramid yarn, the same material used for bullet-proof vests. > This makes for an extremely light weight,

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

Modern telephone pole aerial fiber uses all dialectric self-supporting (ADSS) technology, where the self-supporting component consists primarily of aramid yarn, the same material used for bullet-proof vests. This makes for an extremely light weight, almost indestructible fiber bundle. My guess is t

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On 9/21/2010 12:29 PM, Tony Finch wrote: On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Reese wrote: Several years ago I heard of a Swiss ISP having the same problem. They built their network by running fibre along the earth conductor of high voltage transmission lines (like Energis in the UK). I was told that it was com

RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

> > My friend, that is a straw man. ISPs have complete control over who > they peer with, the size of the peering pipe they accept and whether > that peering session is free or paid. If peering with Netflix will > cost you more than you gain, you just don't do it. > > > Regards, > Bill Herrin T

RE: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1040489 -Original Message- From: Positively Optimistic [mailto:positivelyoptimis...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management... Do any of our fellow nanog members have experi

[NANOG-announce] Final agenda posted for NANOG 50

Folks, The agenda for NANOG 50 has been updated. The agenda looks very good and we are looking forward to seeing you all in Atlanta. Please note that tomorrow (09/21) is the last day before late registration kicks in. So please register tomorrow if you haven't already. Looking forward to Atlanta,

RE: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

> Yes they are -- content providers aren't getting their connections to > the > Internet for free (and if they are, how can I get me some of that?). Maybe I wasn't clear. Traffic is moving away from "transit" to direct peering at private exchanges in many cases. Since most exchanges are "flat ra

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Reese wrote: > > I don't want to start an off-topic subthread but I have to call > bullshit on this so-called "news" story. Several years ago I heard of a Swiss ISP having the same problem. They built their network by running fibre along the earth conductor of high voltage tra

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

I don't want to start an off-topic subthread but I have to call bullshit on this so-called "news" story. So it is my intent that this be my first, last, and only post on this topic. Was it addressed at NANOG (in SF?) that many rifles and amateur shooters both, are capable of sub-MOA accuracy a

RE: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

Justin really hit in on the head with points 4 and 5. You can have the the most organized cabling in the work and lack of labeling and documentation can kill you in a second. A long time ago I was introduced to the rule of 8s. 80% of network outages are caused by cable failure, 80% of the time t

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Matthew Topper wrote: Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way, but it seems to be that that would be a huge problem when you need to change out a cable or move something. Do the benefits outweigh the headaches with this kind of setup? Keeping the 'unseen' copper/fiber

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On 9/21/10 8:23 AM, Matthew Topper wrote: > Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way, but it seems to be that > that would be a huge problem when you need to change out a cable or > move something. Do the benefits outweigh the headaches with this kind > of setup? > I can't speak for others,

RE: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

"Fiber Week"? -Original Message- From: Leslie [mailto:les...@craigslist.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:29 AM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre Hunters, backhoes, and ship anchors are all fiber's natural enemies - I'm surp

Re: IPv6 tunnel brokers that provide BGP other than HE?

OCCAID has been doing this for a while but I don't see anything on their site about it. Might try contacting them. -Jack Carrozzo On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Not a complete solution, but, you could always do a second HE tunnel to a > different site for at least > some

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

At 09:19 21 09 10, Christopher Morrow wrote: this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well: not really news... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > >

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

Hunters, backhoes, and ship anchors are all fiber's natural enemies - I'm surprised Discovery Channel hasn't done a special on it! On 9/21/10 6:19 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well:

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:19:50AM -0400, Brandon Applegate wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Positively Optimistic wrote: > http://www.cecommunication.com/pages/cablemgmtproducts.html > > I have no affiliation with them nor do I even have any - but they do look > nice. They claim to not block blade

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

Maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way, but it seems to be that that would be a huge problem when you need to change out a cable or move something. Do the benefits outweigh the headaches with this kind of setup? On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 21/09/2010 06:07, Po

Re: IPv6 tunnel brokers that provide BGP other than HE?

Not a complete solution, but, you could always do a second HE tunnel to a different site for at least some level of redundancy. Owen On Sep 21, 2010, at 7:12 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: > Neither of our upstream providers offer direct ipv6 although both claim > deployment in Q1 2011. In the meanti

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On 9/21/10 5:38 AM, William Herrin wrote: > > And, of course, the easy way: > > http://bill.herrin.us/pictures/2008/cables-sm.jpg > A similar way would be MRJ21 cables and patch panels or fan out ends, but Cisco doesn't make any line cards with it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vax-o-matic/2465

async serial fiber transceivers

Greetings, I am planning on deploying a console access server on my network for 20-30 network devices including routers, wireless controllers and other devices. The design is to have one central device for all console access. Due to the geographic diversity of my campus, I will need need to carry

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Positively Optimistic wrote: Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable management on 6509/6513 cisco switches? We're upgrading infrastructure in some of our facilities,.. and until it came to cable management, the switches seemed to be a great idea...

Re: IPv6 tunnel brokers that provide BGP other than HE?

On 9/21/2010 9:12 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: Neither of our upstream providers offer direct ipv6 although both claim deployment in Q1 2011. In the meantime, we have a tunnel with BGP to HE announcing our /48, but we are looking for redundancy. Is there anyone else out there offering services like

IPv6 tunnel brokers that provide BGP other than HE?

Neither of our upstream providers offer direct ipv6 although both claim deployment in Q1 2011. In the meantime, we have a tunnel with BGP to HE announcing our /48, but we are looking for redundancy. Is there anyone else out there offering services like Hurricane Electric? Matthew Huff  

Twitter web interface exploit ...

Don't believe it will create any network waves but just FYI, history reached mainstream media http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/social.media/09/21/twitter.security.flaw/index.html?on.cnn=1 According to the birdy folks the exploit is being patched right now. J

Re: financial peering?

On 9/21/2010 6:09 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is a peering point setup to pass traffic to >> credit card processes such as First Data and or the ATM interexchange >> networks? > > If you're talking about exchanging IP tr

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

On Sep 21, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Joe Greco wrote: >> But there is a potential problem here in that content providers are >> producing applications and content requiring increasing amounts of >> bandwidth but are not bearing the cost of delivering that content to the >> end user. If the ISPs are dire

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Positively Optimistic wrote: Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable management on 6509/6513 cisco switches? We're upgrading infrastructure in some of our facilities,.. and until it came to cable management, the switches seemed to be a great idea...

Re: financial peering?

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:36 AM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a peering point setup to pass traffic to > credit card processes such as First Data and or the ATM interexchange > networks? > Cheers > Ryan > What features would you want / need that are not present on a normal La

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

On 9/21/2010 8:12 AM, Joe Greco wrote: Finally, there's a risk that this double-edged sword could slice back at service providers. Content networks often raise funds through advertising. What happens when one day, some network (*cough ESPN360*), decides that a *SERVICE PROVIDER* should pay for

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

this was presented at the nanog in ... SF I think as well: not really news... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

> But there is a potential problem here in that content providers are > producing applications and content requiring increasing amounts of > bandwidth but are not bearing the cost of delivering that content to the > end user. If the ISPs are directly peering with the content provider at > some IX,

Re: financial peering?

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Ryan Finnesey wrote: Does anyone know if there is a peering point setup to pass traffic to credit card processes such as First Data and or the ATM interexchange networks? If you're talking about exchanging IP traffic with a payment processor, I don't think there is an exc

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Positively Optimistic wrote: > Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable management on > 6509/6513 cisco switches?   We're upgrading infrastructure in some of our > facilities,..  and until it came to cable management, the switches seemed to > b

US hunters shoot down Google fibre

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx Repairers forced to ski in to Oregon back woods. Google has revealed that aerial fibre links to its data centre in Oregon were "regularly" shot down by hunters, forcing the company to put its cables underground. The se

Re: Juniper SSG-140, Monitoring and control the usage of the Internet

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:49, Yasir Munir Abbasi wrote: > Hi, Hi, > I have a SSG-140 Juniper Firewall. I need to ask, how can I Monitor the > individual IP traffic? I mean I want to see who is taking more bandwidth. > > Please help me out. Thanks As far as I know, you will not be able to get

Re: Cisco 6509/6513 cable management...

On 21/09/2010 06:07, Positively Optimistic wrote: Do any of our fellow nanog members have experience with cable management on 6509/6513 cisco switches? We're upgrading infrastructure in some of our facilities,.. and until it came to cable management, the switches seemed to be a great idea...

financial peering?

Does anyone know if there is a peering point setup to pass traffic to credit card processes such as First Data and or the ATM interexchange networks? Cheers Ryan