Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 2 May 2009, Matthew Palmer wrote: Handing out an IPv6 /56 to a DSL or cable customer should be handled much the same way as giving them an IPv4 /29 is today -- ask, and it shall be provided, but it's wasteful[1] to do so by default. [1] Just because we've got a lot of it, doesn't mean w

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Sat, 02 May 2009 00:26:37 -0400, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: ... approximation Even an approximation is hard to make. One might think the simple math of "how much power is fed into the room" would do, but it ignores numerous factors that greatly effect the answer. I can rattle off examp

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
While all the below is true, I would put forward that many of us networking types, especially those who operate their own datacenters, generally know how to do an approximation. Afterall, if you don't have an idea of magnitude, if you haven't done your homework, your conversation with that professi

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
Ricky Beam wrote: > On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren > wrote: >>> Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: >>> http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/calculating-heat-load > > "Before you decide on an air conditioning unit you should commission an > audit from a suitably qualif

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Ricky Beam
On Fri, 01 May 2009 21:32:19 -0400, William Warren wrote: Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: http://www.openxtra.co.uk/articles/calculating-heat-load "Before you decide on an air conditioning unit you should commission an audit from a suitably qualified air conditioning equipment

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Jack Bates
David Schwartz wrote: I hear this a lot, but how many "linksys default channel 6" end users really have more than one subnet, or even know what a subnet is? ~Seth Wrong question. The right question is, how many would if reachable address scarcity weren't a factor. Also the wrong question.

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20090502002406.gk4...@hezmatt.org>, Matthew Palmer writes: > On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 09:40:23AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > In message <49fb4661.8090...@west.net>, Jay Hennigan writes: > > > LEdouard Louis wrote: > > > > Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. >

RE: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Frank Bulk
At our helpdesk we hear customers hanging their wireless router off their NATed PPPoA DSL modem all the time, such that its double-NATed. That things work as well as they do is a testament to the resiliency of IP (and applications and servers) in the face of NAT. Frank -Original Message--

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Seth Mattinen wrote: > > I hear this a lot, but how many "linksys default channel 6" end users > really have more than one subnet, or even know what a subnet is? By definition, every single one of them that buys wireless router, then buys another and hangs it off the first. That happens more oft

Re: Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread William Warren
Mike Lyon wrote: Hello All, I am curious what formulas/equations folks use to figure out required cooling for small datacenters in offices. The variables I am using are the size of the room, the total amount of power available for usage and the lightning. Specifically, I am using the guide pos

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
David Schwartz wrote: >> I hear this a lot, but how many "linksys default channel 6" end users >> really have more than one subnet, or even know what a subnet is? >> >> ~Seth > > Wrong question. The right question is, how many would if reachable address > scarcity weren't a factor. > They're re

RE: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread David Schwartz
> I hear this a lot, but how many "linksys default channel 6" end users > really have more than one subnet, or even know what a subnet is? > > ~Seth Wrong question. The right question is, how many would if reachable address scarcity weren't a factor. DS

Slightly OT: Calculating HVAC requirements for server rooms

2009-05-01 Thread Mike Lyon
Hello All, I am curious what formulas/equations folks use to figure out required cooling for small datacenters in offices. The variables I am using are the size of the room, the total amount of power available for usage and the lightning. Specifically, I am using the guide posted at: http://www.

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <49fb4661.8090...@west.net>, Jay Hennigan writes: >> LEdouard Louis wrote: >>> Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. >>> >>> Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much >>> does it cost? >> Only five? Really? Our basic r

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 09:40:23AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <49fb4661.8090...@west.net>, Jay Hennigan writes: > > LEdouard Louis wrote: > > > Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. > > > > > > Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <49fb4661.8090...@west.net>, Jay Hennigan writes: > LEdouard Louis wrote: > > Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. > > > > Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much > > does it cost? > > Only five? Really? Our basic residential users ge

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
Of course the "GeoIP people" are going to vet the submissions, but if existing entry is Spain or Germany and the traceroute shows that the previous hop was somewhere in the US midwest, I think they can figure it out. =) The "hop before it" is not necessarily a good indication these days wit

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Randy Bush
>> Perhaps we as the ISP community need to realise that we need to somehow >> publish this data (town or something alike) via some kind of standardized >> API? > hey lookie! dns TXT records!! :) LOC randy

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Mark Foster
I don't think self-reporting is the answer. You MIGHT be able to determine location based on a traceroute, though anycast would surely derail such attempts. I suspect most people rely on 3rd party GeoIP databases, and that those companies aren't interested in hearing from you about your location

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 May 2009, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: LOC records too. :-) dig @prisoner.iana.org hostname.as112.net any Have this seen any widespread use? I mean, there needs to be tens of percent of users having these before they'll get used by the GeoIP people. -- Mikael Abrahamsson

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Peter Beckman
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2009, William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: LOC records too. :-) dig @prisoner.iana.org hostname.as112.net any Have this seen any widespread use? I mean, there needs to be tens of percent of users having these before they'll get used

RE: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Frank Bulk
I wouldn't mind create LOC records for our IP address ranges, but doesn't make much sense if the "GeoIP people" don't look at it or care. Hence the need for someone who is relevant to them to open the dialog. I've never received a negative comment when submitting a correction request to "GeoIP pe

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2009, Frank Bulk wrote: What we need is a "master update" form where Akamai, Google, Maxmind, hostip.info, Geobytes, ip2location, ipgeo, etc can be notified about changes.

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Jeff Woolsey
Christopher Morrow wrote: > > hey lookie! dns TXT records!! :) > > dns LOC records. -- Jeff Woolsey {woolsey,j...@jlw.com,first.l...@gmail.com Nature abhors a straight antenna, a clean lens, and unused storage capacity. "Delete! Delete! OK!" -Dr. Bronner on disk space management

Re: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Fri, 1 May 2009, Frank Bulk wrote: > >> What we need is a "master update" form where Akamai, Google, Maxmind, >> hostip.info, Geobytes, ip2location, ipgeo, etc can be notified about >> changes. > > Perhaps we as the ISP community need

RE: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Frank Bulk
I bet each company uses a variety of methods to build their data set, not least of which is the one you mentioned. I don't think the larger (and by larger, I meant the ones with the most users) ISP community is so concerned about the accuracy of geoIP info, or even need to follow the routes we do,

RE: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread LEdouard Louis
Thanks all! I will look into the various suggestions. --Louis -Original Message- From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:07 PM To: LEdouard Louis Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses On Fri,

AT&T Having Difficulties--anybody know what they are?

2009-05-01 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
Athens GA, tried to call in a ticket (Metro Ethernet) and was told a master ticket was already in place for my circuits. Other than the ticket # they wouldn't give me any details. Anybody know anything? --p

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread bmanning
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 02:29:24PM -0400, LEdouard Louis wrote: > Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. > > > > Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much > does it cost? how much is Optimum Online charging you for each of the five?

Re: 10-GigE for servers

2009-05-01 Thread Nathan Stratton
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Jason Shoemaker wrote: My company is looking for ways to improve throughput for data transfers between individual servers. We’re exploring the creation of Etherchannels using multiple server NICs, but Etherchannel seems to have the limitation of not supporting per-packet loa

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Jay Hennigan
LEdouard Louis wrote: Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much does it cost? Only five? Really? Our basic residential users get 18 quintillion addresses, and business users get 65536 times that many. Tell

Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
LEdouard Louis wrote: > Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. > > > > Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much > does it cost? > > > > Most of our devices only require an internal IP address to reach the > internet, but we have a Juniper DX fo

Where to buy Internet IP addresses

2009-05-01 Thread LEdouard Louis
Optimum Online business only offer 5 static IP address. Where can I buy a block of Internet IP address for Business? How much does it cost? Most of our devices only require an internal IP address to reach the internet, but we have a Juniper DX for load balancing. We must provide Junip

RE: 10-GigE for servers

2009-05-01 Thread Matthew Huff
It's also host dependent. The switch will hash based on the algorithms it supports, however it can be asymmetrical if the host doesn't support the same ones. Most host OS's don't hash outbound to the switch based on layer 4 or above. Most only hash at layer 2. There are 10GE cards for most hard

Weekly Routing Table Report

2009-05-01 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith . Routing

Re: 10-GigE for servers

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Alex Thurlow said: > As long as it's not a single connection that you're looking to get over > 1Gb, etherchannel should actually work. It uses a hash based on (I > believe) source and destination IP and port, so it should roughly > balance connections between the servers. Th

RE: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Frank Bulk wrote: What we need is a "master update" form where Akamai, Google, Maxmind, hostip.info, Geobytes, ip2location, ipgeo, etc can be notified about changes. Perhaps we as the ISP community need to realise that we need to somehow publish this data (town or somethi

Re: 10-GigE for servers

2009-05-01 Thread Alex Thurlow
As long as it's not a single connection that you're looking to get over 1Gb, etherchannel should actually work. It uses a hash based on (I believe) source and destination IP and port, so it should roughly balance connections between the servers. The other option, if you're using Linux, is to

10-GigE for servers

2009-05-01 Thread Jason Shoemaker
My company is looking for ways to improve throughput for data transfers between individual servers. We’re exploring the creation of Etherchannels using multiple server NICs, but Etherchannel seems to have the limitation of not supporting per-packet load-balancing, therefore limiting traffic betwee

RE: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Frank Bulk
Thanks for that link, it must be relatively new, cause I couldn't find that around Christmas time last year. What we need is a "master update" form where Akamai, Google, Maxmind, hostip.info, Geobytes, ip2location, ipgeo, etc can be notified about changes. Frank -Original Message- From

BGP Update Report

2009-05-01 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 30-Mar-09 -to- 30-Apr-09 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS6389 371436 4.1% 85.1 -- BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 2 - AS3130

The Cidr Report

2009-05-01 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri May 1 21:14:35 2009 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

RE: how to fix incorrect GeoIP data?

2009-05-01 Thread Calhoun, Matthew
We've had this happen with many new IP allocations. There's a Google FAQ for it at... http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=873 Take care, Matt -Original Message- From: Chuck Anderson [mailto:c...@wpi.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:26 PM To: nanog@na