I do seem to have put my foot in my mouth. I apologize for any offense
my comments made, as well as any misunderstanding on my part.
I see the note to take this discussion to nanog-futures, so I'll reply
further there.
And the Security BOF was very good, I was thankful to have been there
an
[snip]
http://www.gweep.net/~crimson/Don't_Feed_The_Trolls.mp3
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RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Colin Alston wrote:
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Colin Alston wrote:
Is there any kind of cunning trick to detect standard layer2
switches along a path without stuff like STP?
Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the
problem there is they ha
>
> >> Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all
> >> worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG,
> >> including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000
> >> checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of
>
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>> Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all
>> worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG,
>> including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000
>> checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of
>> interest.
"Christopher Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
>
>>> When a vendor at the security BOF starts showing documents that are
>>> "company confidential", and trying to whi
>
> Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all
> worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG,
> including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000
> checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of
> interest. A
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Colin Alston wrote:
> Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the problem
> there is they have one thing in common which is polling SNMP. I think it
> scales badly in general. I was hoping to find a more intelligent way of, I
I don
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Scott Doty wrote:
> First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very
> valuable and content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be
> discussed. For that, I am grateful.
>
> But now, the bad news(?): Maybe it's just me & my paranoia, but do I
> detec
On 15 Oct 2008, at 17:52, Colin Alston wrote:
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Bill Woodcock wrote:
InterMapper. http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/
intermapper/index.html
-Bill
Whoa, quite a serious looking piece of software. Will check it out.
Was
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
>> When a vendor at the security BOF starts showing documents that are
>> "company
>> confidential", and trying to whip up a climate of fear, that we should all
>> deploy t
Scott,
On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Scott Doty wrote:
First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very
valuable and
content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be discussed.
For that, I am grateful.
Thank you. We worked hard to make it valuable.
But now, the ba
On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very
valuable and
content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be discussed.
For that, I am grateful.
But now, the bad news(?): Maybe it's just me & my paranoia, but do
I
On 2008/10/15 08:49 PM Larry Sheldon wrote:
Colin Alston wrote:
Maybe there should be something (I mean like, someone should come up
with a standard :P) to trace switches in a path... Problem is I think
even then the simple devices won't bother to support it.
I have been away from it for ma
If the switches are Cisco, then Cisco Works has a L2 STP forwarding path
graphical display which can be used in cases where the L3 path is a
logical abstraction overlaid on the underlying L2 topology.
-Original Message-
From: Larry Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, Octobe
Colin Alston wrote:
Maybe there should be something (I mean like, someone should come up
with a standard :P) to trace switches in a path... Problem is I think
even then the simple devices won't bother to support it.
I have been away from it for ma while and in truth don't know the
answer--bu
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Colin Alston wrote:
Is there any kind of cunning trick to detect standard layer2 switches
along a path without stuff like STP?
Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the
problem there is they have one thing in common which is polling SNMP.
I think
Scott,
Given that I both co-moderated the ISP security BOF AND
gave a ~9 minute presentation covering *empirical* data and
stats of observed attack vectors across 100 ISP networks
over 640 days, and shared a slide or two with stats from
an infrastructure security survey we've been doing and
shari
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Bill Woodcock wrote:
InterMapper.
http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/intermapper/index.html
-Bill
Whoa, quite a serious looking piece of software. Will check it out.
Was kinda hoping to write my own software though, b
And another one, that I believe is a commercial product:
http://www.solarwinds.com/products/lansurveyor/
On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Colin Alston wrote:
I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically
detect
a networks to
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Colin Alston wrote:
> I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically detect
> a networks topology and draw pretty pictures.
InterMapper.
http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/intermapper/index.html
Hi all
I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically
detect a networks topology and draw pretty pictures. This is somewhat
boring though if a network isn't well arranged with VLANs and q-tag
trunk routers and so on (It will just look like a big cloud of junk
connected off
Anton Kapela wrote:
Streams are back up for the last day of NANOG, later covering ARIN for
the remainder of the week.
Since it's mostly talking heads, I've lowered the bitrate of the h264
versions, and removed cpu-consuming options (i.e. no CABAC)
~27 megabit MPEG2 HD: udp://233.0.236.20:123
One last message... Audio-only streams are up, and will be fur the
durration. Mp3 and AAC+ are available. Find them here:
http://classic.shoutcast.com/directory/index.phtml?s=ARIN+XXII
-Tk
Streams are back up for the last day of NANOG, later covering ARIN for
the remainder of the week.
Since it's mostly talking heads, I've lowered the bitrate of the h264
versions, and removed cpu-consuming options (i.e. no CABAC)
~27 megabit MPEG2 HD: udp://233.0.236.20:1234 (udp, mp2ts)
~2
Let me avoid being long winded and just put on my Captain Obvious
cape. Avoid magic DDoS appliances, particularly those that require
some type of relationship or deposit to be made in advance no matter
how "risk free." There is a reason why these vendor presentations
aren't meeting your expectation
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