On 6/19/07, Per Heldal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Before you make it a technical or HR issue you first have to either find
a way to make aggressive ISP policies profitable or
introduce .gov-regulations that say you either operate according to some
standard or not at all.
Well - you have to hav
On 6/18/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/18/07, Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, though 25 is (afaik ;) the most abused one that will annoy a
> lot of other folks with spam, phishings and virus distribution, though
> the latter seems to have come to
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 21:00 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On 6/18/07, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Automation is a non-starter unless you have people to deal with the
> > exceptions. If you don't deal with exceptions, eventually problems with
> > any automated system will
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
> On 6/18/07, Jack Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Joe also pointed out the biggest problem with blocking port 25; it
>> pushes the
>> abuse towards the smarthosts. This creates a lot of issues.
>> Smarthosts have to
>
> So .. great. You have a huge spam probl
On 6/18/07, Jack Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joe also pointed out the biggest problem with blocking port 25; it pushes the
abuse towards the smarthosts. This creates a lot of issues. Smarthosts have to
So .. great. You have a huge spam problem that flew under your radar
as it was spread
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
MAAWG's port 25 management document is kind of based on consensus. Joe
is a senior tech advisor at MAAWG. contributed substantially to that
document .. and those two presentations were made at a maawg (san
diego in 2005 if I remember right) so ..
Joe also pointed
On 6/18/07, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Automation is a non-starter unless you have people to deal with the
exceptions. If you don't deal with exceptions, eventually problems with
any automated system will overwhelm you. You can only hid behind IVR
recordings "You call is very impo
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
The best answer is probably paying for a strong ISP abuse team. But for
whatever reasons, some ISPs prefer to invest in other areas.
Bah. Not to underrate having a strong and clued abuse team. However,
throwing more people at this is a non st
On 6/18/07, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The great thing about opinions is everyone has one.
See also
http://www.maawg.org/port25
MAAWG's port 25 management document is kind of based on consensus. Joe
is a senior tech advisor at MAAWG. contributed substantially to that
document .. a
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
On 6/18/07, Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Of course, though 25 is (afaik ;) the most abused one that will annoy a
lot of other folks with spam, phishings and virus distribution, though
the latter seems to have come to a near halt fro
On 6/18/07, Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Of course, though 25 is (afaik ;) the most abused one that will annoy a
lot of other folks with spam, phishings and virus distribution, though
the latter seems to have come to a near halt from what I see.
Read these and weep, then -
http://d
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On 6/17/07, Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> IMHO ISPs should per default simply feed port 25 outbound through their
>> own SMTP relays. BUT always have a very easy way (eg a Control Panel
>> behind a user/pass on a website) to disable this kind of filt
On 6/17/07, Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IMHO ISPs should per default simply feed port 25 outbound through their
own SMTP relays. BUT always have a very easy way (eg a Control Panel
behind a user/pass on a website) to disable this kind of filtering. This
Y'know, port 25 is just th
Assigning a fine doesn't win any friends. The customer is already miffed
that:
a) we talked to them and wasted their precious personal time
b) 'accused' them of malicious activity
c) that we took them offline
d) that they'll now need to spend $100 at a computer shop or use up goodwill
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